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Old 22-08-2016, 17:27
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I honestly do think this. I can't remember the last time a HM annoyed me as much as him. He constantly seeks attention in the most childish ways. He's obnoxious and he goads and goads his fellow HMs to upset them, and he doesn't care. If he did, he'd stop, but he just carries on, and all with a smile on his face. It's all just so he can get the airtime he constantly craves.

He seems completely and utterly incapable of putting himself into anyone else's shoes. For those who think he's funny - if you were living with him and he was constantly doing these things both to you and in your presence, would you find him funny then? Because something tells me you wouldn't. So why, just because it's not happening to you personally, does that make his behaviour acceptable? I have never been able to understand that particular logic of it being okay for someone to do it to someone else, but not to you.

It's not childish and innocent pranks. He knows exactly what he's doing. Pranks stop becoming pranks when the person on the receiving end gets angry and/or upset and when the "prankster" keeps on doing it even when they know that the other person doesn't like it.

He also got sexually involved with Chloe, cheating on his partner. And when his partner came in, he didn't care at all. There made no effort to talk to her and he made no apology, instead nonchalantly shrugging his shoulders at her. He even later blamed her in the Diary Room!

And people are saying that he deserves to win? I've watched BB since the first series where the general consensus was that the nastier housemates didn't deserve to be there and were promptly voted out. But nowadays, it seems like the more fame hungry you are, the less amount of respect you have for others, the more bitchy you are, the more you get involved in public sexual activity, the more anti-social you are, the more you deserve to be there. And if you're a genuinely nice, decent person who has intelligent conversations and don't go round looking for attention or controversy, then you're a terrible housemate and you shouldn't be there. There are impressionable teenagers that watch this show and if they see these type of HMs portrayed as deserving to be in there, they will think that this is the way to get ahead in life.

Some people have said that he should win because at least we've seen him and not the others who are boring. I don't think it's fair to call the others boring. How do we know that they're boring when we haven't even seen enough of them to come to that judgement? If anything, I find Bear boring because he just says and does the same things over and over again.

If he wins, he, like Helen, will have behaved horribly all series and then get rewarded by winning.
Completely agree OP.

I can hardly watch this now because he dominates so much of the highlights and he has a nasty streak just like HW. I wouldn't put him in the panto villain categorary at all as some do because he takes things too far, just as HW did. They've both had plenty of warnings that we haven't seen, you can be sure of that. Both of these people love making others feel uncomfortable, intimidated, etc. Thoroughly nasty people with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. 👎🏼
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Old 22-08-2016, 17:30
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It's interesting that you didn't actually answer my question if whether you'd still think it was okay for him to behave like that on TV if a family member or friend of yours and he was goading away at them.
Interesting? I don't think so. I think you most likely predicted that I wouldn't address that point.

I know you probably think it is the most pertinent point, but I find it the least relevant point.

Even from day 1 series 1, I would always have discouraged anyone I know from going into the BB house, but today the experience is so, so, so much more vicious, anyone - yes ANYONE, including people I know - would be an idiot for entering the house.
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Old 22-08-2016, 17:46
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Interesting? I don't think so. I think you most likely predicted that I wouldn't address that point.

I know you probably think it is the most pertinent point, but I find it the least relevant point.

Even from day 1 series 1, I would always have discouraged anyone I know from going into the BB house, but today the experience is so, so, so much more vicious, anyone - yes ANYONE, including people I know - would be an idiot for entering the house.
No, I didn't predict it, actually.

The fact that you haven't directly answered that question, very much makes it seem like you don't think it would be okay for him to do that.
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Old 22-08-2016, 22:00
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Doesn't this make him a giant fake though?

I've heard a lot of his fans on here say the others are fake and that's why they don't like them. Isn't that a contradiction?
I think there's a differentiation between being fake in a way that you are trying to pass off as your real self - fake nice, fake friends with certain HMs, fake in keeping certain behaviours or opinions toned down - and overt game-playing not intended to be taken as your base level personality.

Even from day 1 series 1, I would always have discouraged anyone I know from going into the BB house, but today the experience is so, so, so much more vicious, anyone - yes ANYONE, including people I know - would be an idiot for entering the house. [& previous posts]
Well argued throughout this thread if I may say so, and I agree with you. I have every reason to think Helen's behaviour was consistent with her own self, given past/present continuation of the same traits; for example the disproportionate degree to which she (& Marc) carried on their hostility with Danny W during & after the show, & the general content of her twitter, newspaper 'articles' etc. Where Bear is concerned I highly doubt he has personal issues with HMs (above & beyond normal preference for certain people, & who you would get on with in rl, as with anybody) and the motivations for his targeting any given HM at any time is pure game-playing imo.

As far as upsetting HMs goes - there have been ways & means for the vast majority of his wind-ups and exploiting of people's achilles heels to be handled such that they would have misfired, and if HMs (and I would say, especially 'celeb' HMs with media backgrounds etc) don't have the tools at their disposal to ignore/rise above/outwit his gameplaying - then frankly they should have. Or, as you say, they could simply give this sort of entirely predictable experience a miss.
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Old 22-08-2016, 22:09
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I'm not really in a position to judge because the win of Helen Wood completely destroyed my faith that even if the winner of BB was someone I didn't particularly like, that they had at least earned it for good reasons.

I haven't really been able to watch the show since with any degree of enthusiasm, her win destroyed that for me. She was protected from eviction and made the show unwatchable.

I haven't been able to watch this one for more than one episode a week. Now that they've got the idea that promoting hateful people will get them more viewers, it seems like a pointless exercise. I don't describe it as entertainment, it's crude and crass and boring, and a waste of my time. I wouldn't bother with it at all if my husband didn't put it on every now and then, and in fact over the weekend I completely forgot it was on.
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Old 22-08-2016, 22:18
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Sometimes I think people forget about what previous HMs were like as the years roll on. Helen and Bear are nothing alike.

Bear is a wind up full stop. Almost everything he has said to annoy others in there has been said to get a reaction. His more "normal" persona is a lot more adaptable and stable. He's proven multiple times he can have chats with people he doesn't really get on with and still have a laugh/make them comfortable.

Helen was almost the complete opposite. She was serious...very serious. She systematically picked on the HMs she didn't like or deemed weaker. When confronted she got loud and aggressive. Making the other person feel like total ****. People talk about bullying a lot in BB, rightly or wrongly, but Helen definitely was one.

Group-wise they are nothing alike either. Bear's "group" fell apart quite quickly and had almost no cohesion. He's shown that he basically works better alone. Helen's group were supremely loyal to her. They fought her battles with the same amount of villeness as she did.

It was the same when people compared Marc from last year's show to her. They were nothing alike either. We seen that when Helen came back into the house and interacted with him. She was a whole different level of unpleasantness. The only HM anywhere near her was Connor.
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Old 22-08-2016, 22:28
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It would be far worse for bear to win. Helen was herself. She wasn't a pleasant person, she was sometimes really nasty but I never felt that Helen was trying to be anything or than herself. Bear is a caricature, a grotesque one. His behaviour is calculated to try to cause disruption to the house and distress to individuals. He Also goes out of his way to have the cameras on him at all times. Helen was argumentative and had a vicious mouth. Bear is just a thick embarrassment who has disrespected everyone in the house, his family, his girlfriend and behaved appallingly towards the equally stupid Chloe as I don't believe there will be anything between them after this.
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Old 22-08-2016, 23:09
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Nothing at all, she was a vile spiteful woman who sailed through BB because of her pass to the final. Bear may be a pain the ass but we have at least had the opportunity to evict him each week.
Odd, "vile" and "spiteful" are two very apt words to describe Bear, in my opinion.

Is it because one's a woman and the other a man that his behavior is forgiven by so many as being simply "banter" or a "wind up?"
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Old 22-08-2016, 23:40
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Odd, "vile" and "spiteful" are two very apt words to describe Bear, in my opinion.

Is it because one's a woman and the other a man that his behavior is forgiven by so many as being simply "banter" or a "wind up?"
I do think that he'd get more criticism if he was a woman.
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Old 22-08-2016, 23:54
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not quite as bad, I'm just sick of the Bear show it's all about him the others might as well not be there, the producers are getting their way by only showing Bear to get they want & as usual hook line & sinker (ROLLEYES)
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Old 23-08-2016, 00:10
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The Helen Wood win was the only one I absolutely couldn't understand!
Disagreed with lots of previous winners but realised everyone sees things differently.

I don't like Bear, hated him at first but the longer this goes on and the more it's narrowing down, I realise I don't like any of them.. Ricky is ok but I'm starting to think perhaps Bear deserves it for the effort he's put in
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Old 23-08-2016, 00:59
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Bear was entertaining.
Helen wasnt. She just sat in the corner and smoked.


So theyre not even remotely comparable.
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Old 23-08-2016, 01:00
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If Speidi had won wonder if they would be up there as most hated too.
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Old 23-08-2016, 07:00
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He's not a joker. A joke is something people find funny. His are at other peoples expense and they don't find funny so hence not a joker.
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Old 23-08-2016, 07:39
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Bear was entertaining.
Helen wasnt. She just sat in the corner and smoked.


So theyre not even remotely comparable.
Bear isn't entertaining in my opinion.
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Old 23-08-2016, 08:03
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Bear isn't entertaining in my opinion.
Nor mine. I thought last night's show was entertaining (perhaps for the wrong reasons) with hardly any footage of you know who. Makes me wonder more and more why BB have chosen to make this the Bear Show. I honestly don't get 'that the public love watching reality TV people in action'
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Old 23-08-2016, 08:32
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I voted for Helen, for the only reason was that the Ashleigh supporters on social media were vicious and deluded.

Bear however I will not vote for as at least you could argue Helen was damaged goods. Bear on the other hand leaves a trail of damaged goods behind him.
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Old 23-08-2016, 08:37
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If Speidi had won wonder if they would be up there as most hated too.
I liked Speidi
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Old 23-08-2016, 09:18
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Well said OP. For me and many others, he has ruined this series.

He has made the show all about him, with BB’s aid which is fine for a week or so but just got really boring in the end and I outgrew his “humour” when I was about 10.
Every time anything could happen or develop with another housemates he has to get involved or when someone is evicted, he has to take their moment and make it about him.

I really don’t see what he has done to be so liked – throw food everywhere, his stupid baby voice, cheat on his partner, wind people up to the point of tears. Everyone likes a wind up merchant as long as they know where to stop and draw the line. My fav all time HM is Victor but Bear is on another level of nastiness imo.
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Old 23-08-2016, 10:23
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The Helen Wood win was the only one I absolutely couldn't understand!
Disagreed with lots of previous winners but realised everyone sees things differently.

I don't like Bear, hated him at first but the longer this goes on and the more it's narrowing down, I realise I don't like any of them.. Ricky is ok but I'm starting to think perhaps Bear deserves it for the effort he's put in
I do feel similarly about bear
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Old 23-08-2016, 10:44
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I think everyone knows, Channel 5 want Bear to win, they are promoting the show he is in sometimes during breaks too.
How anyone can support him is beyond me, he's an idiot. Not at all funny and BB know he has been upsetting other HM's yet they let it go on,
How many warnings has he had about damaging property and wasting food?
I feel for Biggins, he made one mistake, one mistake and was thrown out.
I doubt if I will watch another series with the like of Bear being called a celebrity.
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Old 23-08-2016, 10:57
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I don't think they are similar whatsoever. Gaz22 explained it exactly how I see it. I don't like BEAR, but he has nothing like Helen.

Bear is a lone housemate, he doesn't have his lackies bowing down to him like Helen did. He has never raised his voice, he has just been annoying. He has been a wind up, like Marc. And them two are nothing like Helen.

Helen was vicious.

Also Bear probably deserves to win at this point, he has survived every eviction (bar the first where he wasn't up), Helen never faced a public vote.
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Old 23-08-2016, 11:00
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Also, people keep trashing "reality stars", look, as long as they keep winning, C5 will keep getting them all on the show because:

a) They are being voted for to win
b) They are very cheap

If Marnie/Bear win, that would be the 3rd consecutive reality winner in a row with James Hill and Scotty T.

People are voting for them, so they will keep coming.
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Old 23-08-2016, 11:17
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I personally don't think Bear deserves to win solely because he has not been evicted in all the evictions he has faced. That just meant others beneath him were not as popular so i am fine with him being in the house still but not necessarily as winner on that basis.

Also I do think while not shouting (sometimes he has been very loud tbh), i dont think Bear can be described as a harmless wind up who is nothing more than a little annoying. He has driven many of the HM's to tears and thats just not really fun to watch.
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Old 23-08-2016, 12:11
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Bear is an angry and unhappy manchild who gets a mild boost from seeing others angry and unhappy. It's the only time he smiles.

How anyone can find that entertaining viewing is beyond me. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's worrying that so many people find watching an ignorant idiot upsetting other people pleasant. If you have an ounce of empathy, you shouldn't enjoy that.
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