Is it possible to live in the #CBB House without being two-faced? Hmmm. http://bigbrother.channel5.com/house...versial-day-25 …
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I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
When she gave her opinion, no one even batted an eye lid. However as soon as Bear called people out, everyone jumped straight in. IMO, he was right, Katie and Ricky will talk to him and then slag him off in the next scene. Katie is petrified of being up for eviction, I think she would go.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“When she gave her opinion, no one even batted an eye lid. However as soon as Bear called people out, everyone jumped straight in. IMO, he was right, Katie and Ricky will talk to him and then slag him off in the next scene. Katie is petrified of being up for eviction, I think she would go.”
“When she gave her opinion, no one even batted an eye lid. However as soon as Bear called people out, everyone jumped straight in. IMO, he was right, Katie and Ricky will talk to him and then slag him off in the next scene. Katie is petrified of being up for eviction, I think she would go.”
OMG. Has the earth shifted on its axis? I agree with you.
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“OMG. Has the earth shifted on its axis? I agree with you.”
“OMG. Has the earth shifted on its axis? I agree with you.”
No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
Well said. I totally agree.
They spend time with him to avoid anymore unpleasantness and being targeted by Bear.
It must grind you down living with that spiteful, petulant little weasel.
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
I was agreeing with the bit about Katie being petrified of being nominated for eviction and wanting her to go.
I totally agree with your analysis. We are socially educated to be respectful and polite in company. That's how many of us survive, school, uni and work. It is social etiquette to respond if someone speaks to you and sit/eat together. Not to do this, would be too awkward and uncomfortable to sustain. We then reveal our true thoughts and feelings to those we like and trust. I don't see this as two-faced. I do think Katie is two-faced because she pretends friendship to Ricky and Frankie, but talks badly about them to other people. Applying social norms to the likes of Bear is pointless, he is socially deficient.
They all have to nominate someone. Are they saying that once you've nominated someone you shouldn't speak to them or be pleasant to them for the rest of the duration of the show?
How ridiculous - I guess feelings towards each other change on a daily (or even hourly) basis - it's hardly a 'normal' environment where you can escape any unpleasantness.
Bear is the biggest hypocrite of them all - he goads people to bring out the worst in them and then takes pleasure in ripping them apart behind their back.
How ridiculous - I guess feelings towards each other change on a daily (or even hourly) basis - it's hardly a 'normal' environment where you can escape any unpleasantness.
Bear is the biggest hypocrite of them all - he goads people to bring out the worst in them and then takes pleasure in ripping them apart behind their back.
Originally Posted by vald:
“That vid should be called
Housemates can't get a word in edgeways for Katie and Bear.”
“That vid should be called
Housemates can't get a word in edgeways for Katie and Bear.”
So true. Started off as a party political broadcast on how Katie Is Not Two-Faced before Bear took over with his simplistic view which pretty much amounts to 'anyone who duzzint like me is two-faced'.I liked what Aubrey had to say. She explains herself very well. And she can use herself as an example without it sounding as self-indulgent as Katie and Bear.
As it goes I think it is impossible to live in there and not be "two-faced", although I would argue I it's not two-faced in a manipulative sense. In life people can get on our wick but you don't go round airing every grievance you have. Same goes for the BB house.
I hate this theme of you must 'tell it to their face' or it's two-faced. Nonsense. People annoy you, you might sit on it or you might confide in a friend and have a grumble to get it out of your system and then move on. It's not a big deal.
Nominations is not two-faced either imo. You have to do it. You have to come up with a reason. In BB17 they were the devil for saying it was two-faced if you hadn't already spoke to the person about your reasons. Hated that thinking.
I hate this theme of you must 'tell it to their face' or it's two-faced. Nonsense. People annoy you, you might sit on it or you might confide in a friend and have a grumble to get it out of your system and then move on. It's not a big deal.
Nominations is not two-faced either imo. You have to do it. You have to come up with a reason. In BB17 they were the devil for saying it was two-faced if you hadn't already spoke to the person about your reasons. Hated that thinking.
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
Totally agree and she nominated Ricky who has only ever been kind to her! I find Katie two faced, boring and a total hypocrite!
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“I was agreeing with the bit about Katie being petrified of being nominated for eviction and wanting her to go.
I totally agree with your analysis. We are socially educated to be respectful and polite in company. That's how many of us survive, school, uni and work. It is social etiquette to respond if someone speaks to you and sit/eat together. Not to do this, would be too awkward and uncomfortable to sustain. We then reveal our true thoughts and feelings to those we like and trust. I don't see this as two-faced. I do think Katie is two-faced because she pretends friendship to Ricky and Frankie, but talks badly about them to other people. Applying social norms to the likes of Bear is pointless, he is socially deficient.”
“I was agreeing with the bit about Katie being petrified of being nominated for eviction and wanting her to go.
I totally agree with your analysis. We are socially educated to be respectful and polite in company. That's how many of us survive, school, uni and work. It is social etiquette to respond if someone speaks to you and sit/eat together. Not to do this, would be too awkward and uncomfortable to sustain. We then reveal our true thoughts and feelings to those we like and trust. I don't see this as two-faced. I do think Katie is two-faced because she pretends friendship to Ricky and Frankie, but talks badly about them to other people. Applying social norms to the likes of Bear is pointless, he is socially deficient.”
Very well put, you are spot on!
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
“I much preferred Katie when she was a people pleasing mouse. How can she be so two-faced when talking about how genuine she is? She adores and loves Bear, but has continually talked about him behind his back. She acts like Frankie's best friend to his face, but talks him being a gameplayer in the DR. Her phoney accent is really starting to grate.”
Totally agree.
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
Far too logical and sensible a response for this forum Libretio!
I cannot believe the two faced ness of Katie and Aubrey, chatting about Frankie behind his back.
And Katie particularly is pontificating so much about how great she is and totally getting away with it!
And Katie particularly is pontificating so much about how great she is and totally getting away with it!
Originally Posted by icefall:
“I cannot believe the two faced ness of Katie and Aubrey, chatting about Frankie behind his back.
And Katie particularly is pontificating so much about how great she is and totally getting away with it!”
“I cannot believe the two faced ness of Katie and Aubrey, chatting about Frankie behind his back.
And Katie particularly is pontificating so much about how great she is and totally getting away with it!”
She loves and adores Bear and Marnie...
Katie Lauren Waissel..giving herself her full title.
I can't abide her. She's nauseating.
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
This,
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“She loves and adores Bear and Marnie...
Katie Lauren Waissel..giving herself her full title.
I can't abide her. She's nauseating.”
“She loves and adores Bear and Marnie...
Katie Lauren Waissel..giving herself her full title.
I can't abide her. She's nauseating.”
She certainly took Lewis's pep talk about looking in the mirror and telling yourself how great you are, every day to its Nth degree. Girl is loving herself. That ego will trip her up soon.
I love the way the camera stayed on Ricky and Sam, two people who rarely give an opinion on anything.
Being civil with someone you dislike to grease the wheels and not make everyone's life even more of a living nightmare isn't being two faced, it's called keeping the peace.
Also, having a grumble about people you don't like helps vent the pressure. So things don't blow up.
I don't know why people need to have big arguments and 'tell it like it is' in order to 'keep it real'.
If there was someone I didn't get on with I would rather they were at least civil than getting in my face all the time. Especially in a house where you literally can't get away from them.
Also, having a grumble about people you don't like helps vent the pressure. So things don't blow up.
I don't know why people need to have big arguments and 'tell it like it is' in order to 'keep it real'.
If there was someone I didn't get on with I would rather they were at least civil than getting in my face all the time. Especially in a house where you literally can't get away from them.
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“She certainly took Lewis's pep talk about looking in the mirror and telling yourself how great you are, every day to its Nth degree. Girl is loving herself. That ego will trip her up soon.”
“She certainly took Lewis's pep talk about looking in the mirror and telling yourself how great you are, every day to its Nth degree. Girl is loving herself. That ego will trip her up soon.”
I found that interaction incredibly cringey and patronising. She was saying 'I know', she didn't need validation from the fopster.
She's a bit wishy-washy but she's not that bad IMHO.
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
“No, the earth hasn't shifted, al_capo has just misrepresented the truth (no surprise, given his trollish allegiance to Bore the Twonk). These guys 'talk' to Bore because it is an inevitable consequence of sharing the same space that they will occasionally find themselves sat together and passing the time of day. They could be rude to him and tell him to f... er, I mean, go away (ahem!), but that would initiate more unpleasantness that they could well do without. That doesn't mean their feelings for one another have changed. When they're out of Bore's sight, they allow those true feelings to surface (they do it in front of him, too, so accusations of 'cowardice' are null and void). That is NOT being two-faced, as al_capo would have you believe. The HM's who (justifiably) detest Bore are simply adapting to circumstances on a moment-by-moment basis.”
Absolutely, and we've seen how it can change so quickly between them and Bear. Renee and Aubrey wanted him out, then they wanted him to stay because he's entertaining, now they want him out again because he's been a bit of a shit again. That's what it's like living with anybody, let alone a person like Bear.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“They all have to nominate someone. Are they saying that once you've nominated someone you shouldn't speak to them or be pleasant to them for the rest of the duration of the show?
How ridiculous - I guess feelings towards each other change on a daily (or even hourly) basis - it's hardly a 'normal' environment where you can escape any unpleasantness.
Bear is the biggest hypocrite of them all - he goads people to bring out the worst in them and then takes pleasure in ripping them apart behind their back.”
“They all have to nominate someone. Are they saying that once you've nominated someone you shouldn't speak to them or be pleasant to them for the rest of the duration of the show?
How ridiculous - I guess feelings towards each other change on a daily (or even hourly) basis - it's hardly a 'normal' environment where you can escape any unpleasantness.
Bear is the biggest hypocrite of them all - he goads people to bring out the worst in them and then takes pleasure in ripping them apart behind their back.”
Yes, I couldn't agree more. Nominations by their very nature are two-faced as Marnie said, but that has to be discounted in the overall picture of two-facedness in the house as they all have to do it.
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“ So true. Started off as a party political broadcast on how Katie Is Not Two-Faced before Bear took over with his simplistic view which pretty much amounts to 'anyone who duzzint like me is two-faced'.
I liked what Aubrey had to say. She explains herself very well. And she can use herself as an example without it sounding as self-indulgent as Katie and Bear.”
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So true. Started off as a party political broadcast on how Katie Is Not Two-Faced before Bear took over with his simplistic view which pretty much amounts to 'anyone who duzzint like me is two-faced'.I liked what Aubrey had to say. She explains herself very well. And she can use herself as an example without it sounding as self-indulgent as Katie and Bear.”
Yes, Aubrey is very good at putting her point across, she does use her words well - and people tend to listen too.
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“As it goes I think it is impossible to live in there and not be "two-faced", although I would argue I it's not two-faced in a manipulative sense. In life people can get on our wick but you don't go round airing every grievance you have. Same goes for the BB house.
I hate this theme of you must 'tell it to their face' or it's two-faced. Nonsense. People annoy you, you might sit on it or you might confide in a friend and have a grumble to get it out of your system and then move on. It's not a big deal.
Nominations is not two-faced either imo. You have to do it. You have to come up with a reason. In BB17 they were the devil for saying it was two-faced if you hadn't already spoke to the person about your reasons. Hated that thinking.”
“As it goes I think it is impossible to live in there and not be "two-faced", although I would argue I it's not two-faced in a manipulative sense. In life people can get on our wick but you don't go round airing every grievance you have. Same goes for the BB house.
I hate this theme of you must 'tell it to their face' or it's two-faced. Nonsense. People annoy you, you might sit on it or you might confide in a friend and have a grumble to get it out of your system and then move on. It's not a big deal.
Nominations is not two-faced either imo. You have to do it. You have to come up with a reason. In BB17 they were the devil for saying it was two-faced if you hadn't already spoke to the person about your reasons. Hated that thinking.”
Yes, I agree. It's natural to try and get along with those you live with, especially in such a false environment where you can't just leave and never see that person again. We all talk about other people behind their backs - if my brother was annoying me I'd talk to the other brother about him being a pain, and so on. It's family really
Originally Posted by JVS:
“I love the way the camera stayed on Ricky and Sam, two people who rarely give an opinion on anything.”
“I love the way the camera stayed on Ricky and Sam, two people who rarely give an opinion on anything.”
Yes, that was telling in itself!
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