The live shows to be revamped!
I don't like the idea of scoring and mentoring combined, it advantages the contestants with a harsher judge as they will have three lenient judges scoring them. Simon will score the other judges' contestants low deliberately if he feels his contestants are at risk in any particular week.
Nicole's contestants in particular would suffer imo. Sharon knows what she is doing and how to play the game too, and can also form an alliance with Louis.
Not to mention the crap boybands would be like fleas that wont go away, no matter how hard the viewers try to get rid of them the judges will just keep pushing them through and steering them away from the bottom two.
If scoring does become a thing then they should scrap the judges' vote between the bottom two. After the bottom two have performed then open up voting for three minutes on the App instead.
Nicole's contestants in particular would suffer imo. Sharon knows what she is doing and how to play the game too, and can also form an alliance with Louis.
Not to mention the crap boybands would be like fleas that wont go away, no matter how hard the viewers try to get rid of them the judges will just keep pushing them through and steering them away from the bottom two.
If scoring does become a thing then they should scrap the judges' vote between the bottom two. After the bottom two have performed then open up voting for three minutes on the App instead.
We have to wait and see how the changes look exactly. In general it's a good move to revamp the lives. The scoring was dropped last year before it's even get started, so why should they do that this year? A scoring system makes only sense, if that has influence on the results. Can't see how that should work in a different way of the Strictly system. The voting on Strictly is cruelship for me.
A guest judge could be an interesting thing for this years 'old people panel'.
A guest judge could be an interesting thing for this years 'old people panel'.
I think they should just go for it and do scoring.
Yes it'll bring Strictly comparisons and yes it'll lead to potential naughtiness with judges, but that will cause much needed discussion amongst viewers. It would also liven up the live shows, and you'd want to see what Simon scores Contestant X who he hated last week, etc.
Exactly how it'd work with the public vote, who knows, but I think a scoring system of some kind is a good idea.
Guest judges I don't favour as I doubt they'd be able to bag a good enough name each week and 5 comments for each act would be a bit laborious.
Yes it'll bring Strictly comparisons and yes it'll lead to potential naughtiness with judges, but that will cause much needed discussion amongst viewers. It would also liven up the live shows, and you'd want to see what Simon scores Contestant X who he hated last week, etc.
Exactly how it'd work with the public vote, who knows, but I think a scoring system of some kind is a good idea.
Guest judges I don't favour as I doubt they'd be able to bag a good enough name each week and 5 comments for each act would be a bit laborious.
yes and more debating with the judges if 3 judges score an act high and the 4th gives a low score (probably Simon) was disappointed when this didn't happen last year as the poster above says get on with it do it and see how it pans out
Scoring is stupid but that article mentions maybe them announcing the results of the public vote in order each week which I think would be good. They did it on X Factor USA and I think it worked well.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Scoring is stupid.”
“Scoring is stupid.”
in your opinion, which you haven't backed up with anything of substance
Scoring is a good idea in MY opinion, and it would make the judges' comments have more context. It would also undoubtedly cause controversy at times which is what the show needs.
It would get people talking about the show again and offer a much more compelling format for the performance shows. Families would try and guess scores like they do on Strictly, monitoring scores week on week, and scandals when judges low rate acts etc, fighting amongst judges, and so on.
Much more compelling than changing 5 minutes in the results show.
yes it's a copy of Strictly but frankly they need to sort the format out from the drudgery it's become, and this would be a much needed invigoration of the performance shows that would make them less dull and the same roundabout of performance -> generic comments -> adverts -> performance -> generic comments -> adverts.
Originally Posted by davies88:
“Hasn't X Factor promised changes like this for the past 5 years and nothing every really happens?”
“Hasn't X Factor promised changes like this for the past 5 years and nothing every really happens?”
And look what's happened to the ratings.
The show is stagnant and needs to change for the better. Viewers want more.
I would like a scoring system, but as others have mentioned how would It work?, because obviously judges will score their own acts higher and other judges' acts lower on purpose. 
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Scoring is stupid but that article mentions maybe them announcing the results of the public vote in order each week which I think would be good. They did it on X Factor USA and I think it worked well.”
“Scoring is stupid but that article mentions maybe them announcing the results of the public vote in order each week which I think would be good. They did it on X Factor USA and I think it worked well.”
Yes, that's why they brought it back for the third series... oh, wait
Tate and Carly dominating the top two week after week took any kind of suspense away from the results. Revealing the exact order is a dreadful idea.
Originally Posted by Ben96:
“I would like a scoring system, but as others have mentioned how would It work?, because obviously judges will score their own acts higher and other judges' acts lower on purpose.”
“I would like a scoring system, but as others have mentioned how would It work?, because obviously judges will score their own acts higher and other judges' acts lower on purpose.
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They would be asked to score objectively - if they didn't there'd be controversy .. which would be no bad thing!
I would welcome the idea of a scoreboard, it will help the viewers decide if they want to help the underdog or not, much the way they do with Strictly. However I wouldn't just let the judges decide, why not get the studio audience involved too ?
They need to do something, series 12's shows felt incredibly stale. However, in 2013 and 2014, they were my favourite part of the series.
I think scoring is something worth trying
I think scoring is something worth trying
I have idea what about have each judge put one of their acts up for elimination and this could happen at end of Saturday night and the four contestants will be up for the public vote on Sunday or else bring back the previously act that was eliminated the week before and that act will save one contestant of their choice.
Originally Posted by James J:
“They would be asked to score objectively - if they didn't there'd be controversy .. which would be no bad thing!”
“They would be asked to score objectively - if they didn't there'd be controversy .. which would be no bad thing!”
That's not going to work they can't even judge sing offs objectively.
Originally Posted by James J:
“in your opinion, which you haven't backed up with anything of substance
Scoring is a good idea in MY opinion, and it would make the judges' comments have more context. It would also undoubtedly cause controversy at times which is what the show needs.
It would get people talking about the show again and offer a much more compelling format for the performance shows. Families would try and guess scores like they do on Strictly, monitoring scores week on week, and scandals when judges low rate acts etc, fighting amongst judges, and so on.
Much more compelling than changing 5 minutes in the results show.
yes it's a copy of Strictly but frankly they need to sort the format out from the drudgery it's become, and this would be a much needed invigoration of the performance shows that would make them less dull and the same roundabout of performance -> generic comments -> adverts -> performance -> generic comments -> adverts.”
“in your opinion, which you haven't backed up with anything of substance
Scoring is a good idea in MY opinion, and it would make the judges' comments have more context. It would also undoubtedly cause controversy at times which is what the show needs.
It would get people talking about the show again and offer a much more compelling format for the performance shows. Families would try and guess scores like they do on Strictly, monitoring scores week on week, and scandals when judges low rate acts etc, fighting amongst judges, and so on.
Much more compelling than changing 5 minutes in the results show.
yes it's a copy of Strictly but frankly they need to sort the format out from the drudgery it's become, and this would be a much needed invigoration of the performance shows that would make them less dull and the same roundabout of performance -> generic comments -> adverts -> performance -> generic comments -> adverts.”
Jesus, calm down. What's wrong with you? Of course it's my opinion...that's the whole point of a forum...people give their views and opinions on different things. My view on scoring is that I think it's stupid and childish. You think it's a good idea. Big deal. What do you want me to do, state that "it's my opinion" after every time I post something?!!
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Yes, that's why they brought it back for the third series... oh, wait
Tate and Carly dominating the top two week after week took any kind of suspense away from the results. Revealing the exact order is a dreadful idea.”
“Yes, that's why they brought it back for the third series... oh, wait
Tate and Carly dominating the top two week after week took any kind of suspense away from the results. Revealing the exact order is a dreadful idea.”
Somehow I don't think the reason they axed X Factor USA was just down to the releasing the voting order each week. In fact I doubt it even played a part. Things like crappy presenters and lack of chemistry between the judges I'd say is what turned viewers off.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Jesus, calm down. What's wrong with you? Of course it's my opinion...that's the whole point of a forum...people give their views and opinions on different things. My view on scoring is that I think it's stupid and childish. You think it's a good idea. Big deal. What do you want me to do, state that "it's my opinion" after every time I post something?!!”
“Jesus, calm down. What's wrong with you? Of course it's my opinion...that's the whole point of a forum...people give their views and opinions on different things. My view on scoring is that I think it's stupid and childish. You think it's a good idea. Big deal. What do you want me to do, state that "it's my opinion" after every time I post something?!!”
No, but at least back up your opinion with a reason?
I mean it's up to you but calling something childish and stupid without saying why is pretty substanceless to me. I outlined above the case for - your case against is that it's "childish". Not exactly substantiative.
At least I've outlined a bit of detail for being in favour. You've offered no compelling reasons for it being a bad idea for the show in terms of its effect on viewer engagement.
You're entitled to your opinion of course but don't expect me to not question it if it contains no logical justification. "stupid" and "childish" doesn't cut the mustard especially when another very successful show uses it to judge performances.
Originally Posted by James J:
“No, but at least back up your opinion with a reason?”
“No, but at least back up your opinion with a reason?”
I did. I said I think it's stupid and childish. Why is it so hard to understand that that's the reason I don't like it? It's pretty simple.
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“I mean it's up to you but calling something childish and stupid without saying why is pretty substanceless to me. I outlined above the case for - your case against is that it's "childish". Not exactly substantiative.
At least I've outlined a bit of detail for being in favour. You've offered no compelling reasons for it being a bad idea for the show in terms of its effect on viewer engagement.”
“I mean it's up to you but calling something childish and stupid without saying why is pretty substanceless to me. I outlined above the case for - your case against is that it's "childish". Not exactly substantiative.
At least I've outlined a bit of detail for being in favour. You've offered no compelling reasons for it being a bad idea for the show in terms of its effect on viewer engagement.”
You're on a forum...not in a court. Calm down.
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“You're entitled to your opinion of course but don't expect me to not question it if it contains no logical justification. "stupid" and "childish" doesn't cut the mustard especially when another very successful show uses it to judge performances.”
“You're entitled to your opinion of course but don't expect me to not question it if it contains no logical justification. "stupid" and "childish" doesn't cut the mustard especially when another very successful show uses it to judge performances.”
Doesn't cut the mustard with who? With you?! Oh no...
I don't like the idea of a scoring system as I think it's stupid and I think it's childish. That's why I don't like it. It's pretty simple.
I think your reason is simplistic and still not really a very fleshed out point. 
Stupid and childish are terribly vague adjectives and the above post still fails to expand on that.
It's like the BGT buzzer or SCD scorecards, just adds something to the performance shows. Scoring systems are entirely logical on talent shows. Stupid, they are not.
It's like saying medals at the olympics are childish and stupid.
Stupid and childish are terribly vague adjectives and the above post still fails to expand on that.It's like the BGT buzzer or SCD scorecards, just adds something to the performance shows. Scoring systems are entirely logical on talent shows. Stupid, they are not.
It's like saying medals at the olympics are childish and stupid.
