Walthamstow used to be in Essex before the boundaries were changed.

yes the whole of waltham forest and newham were essex over 50 years ago.

loool not getting into a debate with you about my hometown especially for someone not from east london lool. there was a documtary recently about the remaining cockneys that live in the east end and guess where they concentrated on? Canning Town!! technically thats not the east end, remember it also use to be part of essex. everyone from canning town considers themselves east end as im from there so know oh and read up adam woodyatts biography hes from walthamstow and it states hes from the east end.

the reality is that very few people follow that rule in 2016 thats a fact. again im from east london so i know what im talking about your not.

I have mates from East London and they all subscribe to the definition, so how doyou explain that.

In any case if we go with your theory, because popular opinion suggests something is a fact, doesn't actually make it a fact.

There are many popular misnomers:

The Union Jack - we all call the flag the Union Jack, but it is the Union Flag and the pole it hangs on is the jack (old English - jack staff).

In Casablanca Humphrey Bogart never said "play it again Sam".

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He says "Play it, Sam"....if I recall correctly, but never "Play it again, Sam". It might even be just "Play it".

I haven't watched it for ages.

I work in Brentwood and the TOWIE accent is pretty common - but mostly among young people. It's just an exaggeration really, not a completely different accent.

Sorry but out of curiosity what is the South London accent? I'm born and bred South (Wandsworth/Battersea/Clapham/basically along the Northern Line!) and I never knew I had a distinct accent compared to the North/East/West London lot?! I sound common I will admit that but is that the general accent?

Many of the North East London boroughs have Essex post codes but this is because NE was already taken by North East of England. They are technically London boroughs though (like the London Borough of Redbridge) as they have the Freedom pass and other London rights.

I was born in Forest Gate and was brought up in East Ham but I sound less cockney now as I haven't changed my accent but I pronounce my T's etc. so it's clearer and easier to understand.

it also does not help that some parts of North East London like Ilford, Hornchurch & Romford still have "Essex" as the postal address although have been part of London & NOT Essex for 50 years. The postcodes of London go back up to 150 years and appropriate ones are used elsewhere in the country so could not easily be changed.

We posted the same thing... you just before me

NE is Newcastle. It stopped being a London one around 1912, but before London swallowed Havering etc.

I think most working class accents sound the same, whether East or South, it's more a lazy dropping of the last letters of the words, cos they're all busy rushing to get to work. Innit.

I think the derivation of the Essex accent can be seen in this formula:
Cockney + 'are you muggin' me off?' = Essex

Haha I'm def guilty of using 'innit' all the time! Like I said, common as muck I am.....although when required I do have my 'telephone voice' reserved for sensible and adult situations!

being a foreigner who loved languages and accents from a young age i almost died the first time i heard Brian Belo speak on BB8. I was absolutely amazed.

Canning Town is not the East End, that's like saying Shepherds Bush is the West End

technically there are no cockneys anymore with all the traffic noise, unless your mother happens to give birth on a double decker bus in Cheapside or while in one of them new restaurants in New Change, the cockney thing was really a Pepys and Dickens time thing, when everyone crowded around central london

That is right he does.

and Geldof never said "just give us the ****ing money"

....... or Estuary English as it is sometimes called. Kent is the same in places particularly the Medway Towns and North Kent.

its considered the east end thats my point hence the documentary about it the other day go google the last whites of the east end and tell me what area they focused on????

the documentary makers were wrong then, was it Upton Park, what is that, a five minute drive from Essex?

Just reviewed my answer and Bogart actually says "you played it for her, play it for me, play it".

I'm an Essex lad myself. Married a Plaistow girl and have settled in stanford le hope a few hundred yards from rylans house.

Oh and cockneys hardly ever pronounce an h if the word starts with it...like an at is a hat...they also like to push their chests out and wobble their heads a lot after they have finished talking...Essex lads like long white socks with shorts.

I was born in South London and lived there till I was 25 - I moved to North London and there is a subtle difference in accent which is hard to define. I can usually tell though.

though South London is different as well, typical accents of Bermondsey and Wimbledon would be vastly different

basically it's a big and diverse place