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PRIYA v. CHRISSIE
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Nico_D
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I dont like violence against anyone including violence on men from women. It saddens me that the writers went on the story line showing men being women beaters, a rather stereotypical view that men resort to violence when they don't get what they want or showing frustration . Both Rakesh and Andy should not have been portrayed as women beaters IMO. How about Chrissie's psychological abuse of men? That makes me very unhappy.”

But the fact they were potrayed as wife beaters mean they should be punished as such, like I said violence on women or children will always sit more uncomfortable with me and I imagine others than men being violent to other grown men.
bornfree
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“But the fact they were potrayed as wife beaters mean they should be punished as such, like I said violence on women or children will always sit more uncomfortable with me and I imagine others than men being violent to other grown men.”

Didnt Andy go inside? Rakesh is already punishing himself because he recognises that it was out of character for him to do that. Women can be violent and abusive to men too. For me any portrayal of violence is a no go area and was not taken in by the story lines of Rakesh being a woman beater when previously he had always been a boring but nice bloke IMO. Cant see why he was given such a massive personality transplant.
Nico_D
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Didnt Andy go inside? Rakesh is already punishing himself because he recognises that it was out of character for him to do that. Women can be violent and abusive to men too. For me any portrayal of violence is a no go area and was not taken in by the story lines of Rakesh being a woman beater when previously he had always been a boring but nice bloke IMO. Cant see why he was given such a massive personality transplant.”

No Andy went inside for killing his mum he was violent to jo after that, he has since been violent to Adele ( a largely forgotten factory worker) and throttled Kerry.
bornfree
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“No Andy went inside for killing his mum he was violent to jo after that, he has since been violent to Adele ( a largely forgotten factory worker) and throttled Kerry.”

I must have missed whole chunks of Emmerdale. I don't remember seeing this.
Nico_D
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I must have missed whole chunks of Emmerdale. I don't remember seeing this.”

It was after the fire where she got drunk and started a fire and his kids were upstairs.
bornfree
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“It was after the fire where she got drunk and started a fire and his kids were upstairs.”

Thanks. I didn't see it. I will try to locate a clip on you tube. Not that I am a great fan of Andy Sugden or anything like that but it would be interesting to catch up on pieces of a story line.
WhatYouGonnaDo?
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“Regardless of what chrissie was doing and your opinion of her is anybody else repulsed with the fact rakesh used violence against a woman and the end result was him getting what he wanted. I get that by the nature of soaps many crimes go unpunished as morality is not of any importance and it's about entertainment rather than to be a beacon of moral guidance.

But there is something that makes me very unhappy about watching characters go unpunished for violence towards women that's now Andy and rakesh who have gone unpunished for what they have done.”

Yes I was, Rakesh is a pretty horrible man. I was also repulsed by Chrissie's threat to make a false rape allegations against him which preceded his assault. No doubt Chrissie will get revenge at some point once she has got over the shock of it. So I think he will get his.
Louis_Brady
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Didnt Andy go inside? Rakesh is already punishing himself because he recognises that it was out of character for him to do that. Women can be violent and abusive to men too. For me any portrayal of violence is a no go area and was not taken in by the story lines of Rakesh being a woman beater when previously he had always been a boring but nice bloke IMO. Cant see why he was given such a massive personality transplant.”

He was completely pushed to the edge though. It was just one thing after another and Chrissie's selfie stunt was the straw that broke the camel's back. She was so vicious and patronising that I understood why Rakesh did it, he didn't have a personality transplant.
Honestly I've defended Chrissie's transformation because she's been pushed so much and I'm enjoying her being in control, albeit it's a bit panto,but on that occasion she deserved what she got. If you're going to play the game you can't cry everytime you get burned back.
Nico_D
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Louis_Brady:
“He was completely pushed to the edge though. It was just one thing after another and Chrissie's selfie stunt was the straw that broke the camel's back. She was so vicious and patronising that I understood why Rakesh did it, he didn't have a personality transplant.
Honestly I've defended Chrissie's transformation because she's been pushed so much and I'm enjoying her being in control, albeit it's a bit panto,but on that occasion she deserved what she got. If you're going to play the game you can't cry everytime you get burned back.”

Getting burned back would have been telling the police her little schemes, I really don't think there is any situation where a woman is justified in being attacked by a man. Like chrissie told him, clearly it is in him to be able to be violent to women and priya needs to watch out
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“Getting burned back would have been telling the police her little schemes, I really don't think there is any situation where a woman is justified in being attacked by a man. Like chrissie told him, clearly it is in him to be able to be violent to women and priya needs to watch out”

So you don't think Chrissie drove him to choke her? There is only so much that a person can take before they snap and if Chrissie didn't want that type of reaction from Rakesh she should've have thought more about her actions towards him. Chrissie is not some innocent battered woman.
Andybear
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“So you don't think Chrissie drove him to choke her? There is only so much that a person can take before they snap and if Chrissie didn't want that type of reaction from Rakesh she should've have thought more about her actions towards him. Chrissie is not some innocent battered woman.”

There is never any excuse for violence. The best thing he could have done was to simply walk out of there when he got to that stage and gone straight to the police and reported Chrissie. I understand TPTB's reasons why they had Rakesh react the way he did but I do think it was wrong.
bornfree
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by WhatYouGonnaDo?:
“Yes I was, Rakesh is a pretty horrible man. I was also repulsed by Chrissie's threat to make a false rape allegations against him which preceded his assault. No doubt Chrissie will get revenge at some point once she has got over the shock of it. So I think he will get his.”

I cant stand it when women do that. It trivialises rape for the real victims of it both male and female. I knew a young man who got raped and it took so much courage for him to report it.
bornfree
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“There is never any excuse for violence. The best thing he could have done was to simply walk out of there when he got to that stage and gone straight to the police and reported Chrissie. I understand TPTB's reasons why they had Rakesh react the way he did but I do think it was wrong.”

I totally agree. He should have reported her to the police about what she did.
bornfree
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Louis_Brady:
“He was completely pushed to the edge though. It was just one thing after another and Chrissie's selfie stunt was the straw that broke the camel's back. She was so vicious and patronising that I understood why Rakesh did it, he didn't have a personality transplant.
Honestly I've defended Chrissie's transformation because she's been pushed so much and I'm enjoying her being in control, albeit it's a bit panto,but on that occasion she deserved what she got. If you're going to play the game you can't cry everytime you get burned back.”

I still think he should have gone to the police but TPTB decided to go on this story line instead.
Whedonite
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“So you don't think Chrissie drove him to choke her? There is only so much that a person can take before they snap and if Chrissie didn't want that type of reaction from Rakesh she should've have thought more about her actions towards him. Chrissie is not some innocent battered woman.”

What kind of excuse is this?

Rakesh is a grown man. He has no right to choke anyone, no matter how wound up he is. He especially has no right to choke someone who couldn't physically fight back. He's obviously much stronger than Chrissie.

She's "innocent" because she didn't lay a violent hand on him. Rakesh was willing to cheat on Priya. He has no one to blame but himself.
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“What kind of excuse is this?

Rakesh is a grown man. He has no right to choke anyone, no matter how wound up he is. He especially has no right to choke someone who couldn't physically fight back. He's obviously much stronger than Chrissie.

She's "innocent" because she didn't lay a violent hand on him. Rakesh was willing to cheat on Priya. He has no one to blame but himself.”

Chrissie may not have hurt him physical but she was hurting him psychologically for her own gain and amusement. She attacked him just in a different manner, she was the antagonist and has no right to feel violated, she is not a victim.
Andybear
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Chrissie may not have hurt him physical but she was hurting him psychologically for her own gain and amusement. She attacked him just in a different manner, she was the antagonist and has no right to feel violated, she is not a victim.”

As I and other FMs have said, he should have gone to the police if he felt that bad about it - being a solicitor he should be aware of the legal implications. Even though he is a corporate solicitor all solicitors study various aspects of law at the beginning then specialise. There was no excuse for violence and all he succeeded in doing was give Chrissie more ammunition to use against him - and I think she will use it when she feels the time is right.
Whedonite
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Chrissie may not have hurt him physical but she was hurting him psychologically for her own gain and amusement. She attacked him just in a different manner, she was the antagonist and has no right to feel violated, she is not a victim.”

She was the victim of a physical attack.

While I can't stand Chrissie in the slightest, she didn't force Rakesh to do anything. He went to her, with the intention of cheating on his wife for money. Chrissie's "physiological attack" basically consisted of backing out of a deal and threatening to tell Priya what a cheating prat her husband is.

Considering Rakesh is a terrible person with a criminal past, I don't know why people feel sorry enough for him, to actually excuse him choking Chrissie.
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“As I and other FMs have said, he should have gone to the police if he felt that bad about it - being a solicitor he should be aware of the legal implications. Even though he is a corporate solicitor all solicitors study various aspects of law at the beginning then specialise. There was no excuse for violence and all he succeeded in doing was give Chrissie more ammunition to use against him - and I think she will use it when she feels the time is right.”

That is what he should have done but a lot of times when people are pushed they react with their first instinct. If Rakesh had a clear head I'm sure he would have done like you suggested.
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“She was the victim of a physical attack.

While I can't stand Chrissie in the slightest, she didn't force Rakesh to do anything. He went to her, with the intention of cheating on his wife for money. Chrissie's "physiological attack" basically consisted of backing out of a deal and threatening to tell Priya what a cheating prat her husband is.

Considering Rakesh is a terrible person with a criminal past, I don't know why people feel sorry enough for him, to actually excuse him choking Chrissie.”

She is no victim, she was psychologically attacking him and he retaliated. Do you think think Bethany's bully on Corrie was a victim of violence sine Bethany attacked her bully after being psychologically attacked?
Whedonite
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“She is no victim, she was psychologically attacking him and he retaliated. Do you think think Bethany's bully on Corrie was a victim of violence sine Bethany attacked her bully after being psychologically attacked?”

I think that Bethany and her bully are children and very likely equal in strength. Plus, Bethany was actually being bullied.

To compare them to a rather strong looking Rakesh choking Chrissie, is ridiculous. You said that when pushed, some people react with their first instinct. If anyone's first instinct is to viciously attack someone like that, they need locking up.

Chrissie owes Rakesh nothing and she wasn't bullying him. She wouldn't give him money and she showed him up as the cheap cheat he is.

Yes, she was a victim. It doesn't matter if she wound him up. He should'nt have been cheating in the first place.
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“I think that Bethany and her bully are children and very likely equal in strength. Plus, Bethany was actually being bullied.

To compare them to a rather strong looking Rakesh choking Chrissie, is ridiculous. You said that when pushed, some people react with their first instinct. If anyone's first instinct is to viciously attack someone like that, they need locking up.

Chrissie owes Rakesh nothing and she wasn't bullying him. She wouldn't give him money and she showed him up as the cheap cheat he is.”

Who cares what size a person is, just because you are larger than your attacker you cannot fight back? Yes you're right Chrissie was not bullying Rakesh in the normal sense but she was psychologically attacking him adn when she did that she should have been ready for whatever came her way. You cannot attack people in any manor and expect them not to fight back.
Whedonite
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Who cares what size a person is, just because you are larger than your attacker you cannot fight back? Yes you're right Chrissie was not bullying Rakesh in the normal sense but she was psychologically attacking him adn when she did that she should have been ready for whatever came her way. You cannot attack people in any manor and expect them not to fight back.”

Huh? He wasn't fighting back He was attacking. I would have no problem with him fending Chrissie off. That's a different matter. Choking someone, because they've wound you up, isn't fighting back. At all. Of course size matters. He's much bigger/stronger. He could've seriously hurt her.

You can back out of a business deal without expecting to be physically attacked and if Rakesh didn't want Priya to know what a cheat he is, he shouldn't have cheated. Attacking someone for your own weakness is pathetic and not an excuse.

I actually checked the scene again, just to make sure I didn't miss something. I thought for a second that Chrissie may have hit him first. The comments are disgusting. They range from calling her a slut, who deserves what she got, to someone actually saying he should've raped her Youtube is a cesspit.
Mark_Washingto1
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“Huh? He wasn't fighting back He was attacking. I would have no problem with him fending Chrissie off. That's a different matter. Choking someone, because they've wound you up, isn't fighting back. At all. Of course size matters. He's much bigger/stronger. He could've seriously hurt her.

You can back out of a business deal without expecting to be physically attacked and if Rakesh didn't want Priya to know what a cheat he is, he shouldn't have cheated. Attacking someone for your own weakness is pathetic and not an excuse.

I actually checked the scene again, just to make sure I didn't miss something. I thought for a second that Chrissie may have hit him first. The comments are disgusting. They range from calling her a slut, who deserves what she got, to someone actually saying he should've raped her Youtube is a cesspit.”

Rakesh was fighting back, Chrissie did not hit him physically but she was attacking him psychologically. She did not just back out of a business deal she was blackmailing him and threatening to destroy his marriage most of which was done for her own twisted pleasure. If you think Rakesh was wrong for choking her then you should think Chrissie is just as bad if not worse for her own actions.

Now as for what others were saying about Rakesh raping her that is ridiculous I could never co-sign on that stuff.
Andybear
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Rakesh was fighting back, Chrissie did not hit him physically but she was attacking him psychologically. She did not just back out of a business deal she was blackmailing him and threatening to destroy his marriage most of which was done for her own twisted pleasure. If you think Rakesh was wrong for choking her then you should think Chrissie is just as bad if not worse for her own actions.

Now as for what others were saying about Rakesh raping her that is ridiculous I could never co-sign on that stuff.”

Of course Chrissie shouldn't have done what she did - no-one's denying that - but as some of us have said, more than once, Rakesh should have gone to the police - violence was not the answer.
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