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Old 15-09-2016, 13:53
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Well considering they didn't qualify, I'd say United and Chelsea are categorically unlikely to win it.

And City look better than both of them anyway.
The four PL clubs playing in this years champions league should thank Manchester United and Chelsea for being the only teams putting up a fight in the competition in the last 10 years.

Without United and Chelsea, there would be no 4 places.

NorthernNinny is 100% correct.
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Old 15-09-2016, 14:49
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Leicester don't need to thank anyone then, they'd be in whatever happened in the last 20 years.
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Old 15-09-2016, 15:01
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Leicester don't need to thank anyone then, they'd be in whatever happened in the last 20 years.
Correct, just arsenal, city and spurs.

Chances are the PL will soon lose a champions league place
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Old 15-09-2016, 15:05
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Correct, just arsenal, city and spurs.

Chances are the PL will soon lose a champions league place
City reached the CL semi final last season and Liverpool reached the Europa League final, so it's not going to happen as soon as you think.
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Old 15-09-2016, 15:49
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yes, its a lot better without the only two teams likely to win it for the EPL

d'oh
Oh yea like Chelsea could win at this present time, biased much
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:14
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yes, its a lot better without the only two teams likely to win it for the EPL

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I'd love to know what exactly this is based on
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:07
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I'd love to know what exactly this is based on
Tbf they're the last two clubs to have won it in the last ten years and have a decent history of progressing beyond the qualifiers during the same time.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:15
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Tbf they're the last two clubs to have won it in the last ten years and have a decent history of progressing beyond the qualifiers during the same time.
very much this
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:53
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Chances are the PL will soon lose a champions league place
There has been an agreement to ensure the top countries keep 4 spots in the Champions league although the incoming UEFA president wants to change all that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37314555
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:03
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There has been an agreement to ensure the top countries keep 4 spots in the Champions league although the incoming UEFA president wants to change all that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37314555
Hopefully he gets his way, the changes are just another attempt to keep the old established clubs at the top and reward 'history'. Similar to when FFP was brought in, they even adapted them rules the other year to benefit the Milan clubs.
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:18
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Hopefully he gets his way, the changes are just another attempt to keep the old established clubs at the top and reward 'history'. Similar to when FFP was brought in, they even adapted them rules the other year to benefit the Milan clubs.
Mainly to benefit the Italian clubs only 3 places Roma losing out to Porto in a qualifier so only two in the group stages.

These big countries want an end to risky qualifying games
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:39
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Yeah and all those years of progression to the later stages have certainly helped the co-efficients too.

Funny how quickly the newbies forget that isn't it?
So all the other Premier League teams and their supporters should express gratitude to Manchester United and Chelsea? How would that work?
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:40
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City reached the CL semi final last season and Liverpool reached the Europa League final, so it's not going to happen as soon as you think.
And arsenal finished second, so would have qualified either way.

Sounds like Codeblue is talking shite again.
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:52
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And arsenal finished second, so would have qualified either way.

Sounds like Codeblue is talking shite again.
What's the point of qualifying if all you're going to do is get knocked out when you get past the group stage like Arsenal do every season?

Chelsea and United along with Liverpool have all won the Champions league and have at least looked like they can compete , with Utd getting to three finals since 2008.

This conversation started in response to a poster claiming that this season's champions league was better now that United and Chelsea weren't a part of it.
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Old 15-09-2016, 20:02
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What's the point of qualifying if all you're going to do is get knocked out when you get past the group stage like Arsenal do every season?

Chelsea and United along with Liverpool have all won the Champions league and have at least looked like they can compete , with Utd getting to three finals since 2008.

This conversation started in response to a poster claiming that this season's champions league was better now that United and Chelsea weren't a part of it.
That is taking it out of context, they also said it was nice to see a couple of different teams for a change too
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Old 15-09-2016, 21:55
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Tbf they're the last two clubs to have won it in the last ten years and have a decent history of progressing beyond the qualifiers during the same time.
the same Man U that have failed to qualify in 2 of the last 3 seasons, as well as failing to qualify from the group stages not long ago are suddenly "likely to win it for the EPL" are they? I don't know that you can say that a team that spent most of last season in the bottom half of the table would have been likely to win it either.

it was a stupid statement from codeblue

furthermore, Tottenham have been in Europe every single season for a while now, and so have also contributed to England's coefficient. this idea that we owe a debt of gratitude to brave Man U and Chelsea for being able to participate in the CL now is complete nonsense.
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Old 15-09-2016, 22:08
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the same Man U that have failed to qualify in 2 of the last 3 seasons, as well as failing to qualify from the group stages not long ago are suddenly "likely to win it for the EPL" are they? I don't know that you can say that a team that spent most of last season in the bottom half of the table would have been likely to win it either.

it was a stupid statement from codeblue

furthermore, Tottenham have been in Europe every single season for a while now, and so have also contributed to England's coefficient. this idea that we owe a debt of gratitude to brave Man U and Chelsea for being able to participate in the CL now is complete nonsense.
How far did Spurs get in the Europa League over the last few years? Compare what Spurs have done with how many times both United and Chelsea have progressed to the later rounds in the CL.

Liverpool have more to crow about than Spurs do . Two Champions league finals and a Europa since 2005 plus all those semi finals against Chelsea along the way . You may as well chuck in Arsenal if you're giving Spurs credit.
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Old 16-09-2016, 00:14
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I wasn't making comparisons, I was merely refuting your rather silly point.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:27
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its not a silly point, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool are single handedly responsible for the 4 CL places available.

If not for them, it would probably be just the winner being entered for the CL competition and with the changes happening, its possible our number of places will be cut from 4 to 3 at least.

No 4th place trophy for arsenal anymore.
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Old 16-09-2016, 11:45
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You're still talking utter nonsense yet again, I'm afraid.
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Old 16-09-2016, 13:05
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You're still talking utter nonsense yet again, I'm afraid.
is it nonsense, or that you are too blinkered to understand?

There are always two sides to a difference of opinion.
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Old 16-09-2016, 13:37
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it's definitely nonsense
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Old 27-09-2016, 20:11
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Leicester lead against Porto
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Old 27-09-2016, 20:23
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This would be a fantastic result for Leicester to get a second win.

Possibly only another win from the knock out stagesb
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Old 27-09-2016, 21:03
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These Porto players sure do enjoy falling over.
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