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I'm not so sure, Copenhagen, Brugges and Porto are all fun and easy cities to get to for the Leicester fans with no long treks to eastern Europe. They may have missed the big boys - but that was almost inevitable due to their ludicrous seeding - but I'm sure they will have a great time on their travels.
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I'm not so sure, Copenhagen, Brugges and Porto are all fun and easy cities to get to for the Leicester fans with no long treks to eastern Europe. They may have missed the big boys - but that was almost inevitable due to their ludicrous seeding - but I'm sure they will have a great time on their travels.
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Why is it "Ludicrous" when they won the PL?
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The pot 1 seedings for title winners is one thing UEFA has got right.
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Giving England, Italy, Spain, and Germany, guaranteed four teams in the Group stages, is however, one thing that they have got wrong.
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With four guaranteed places, it settles the old argument of the fourth-placed team being referred to as a Champions League club. Now they no longer have to get through the qualifiers.
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With four guaranteed places, it settles the old argument of the fourth-placed team being referred to as a Champions League club. Now they no longer have to get through the qualifiers.
![]() As we have seen very recently, Roma got knocked out in the qualifying stage, that is hardly an endorsement to give Italy four guaranteed places is it? |
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People have already been moaning about the sub-par teams that are in this years CL, Id have no objection to the proposals.
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People have already been moaning about the sub-par teams that are in this years CL, Id have no objection to the proposals.
Quite why Roma for example, would deserve a guaranteed place (if the rules were in place for this season) I don't know, as they have proven that they do not. This is just making it harder for anyone outside of those four leagues to achieve success in the Champions League. |
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Italy are the big winners from that. Despite the glee/panic (delete as applicable) at the prospect of them gaining a CL place at England's expense, they've struggled to consistently get their full compliment into the group stages for a while.
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The teams that are in it, fully deserve to be in it, as they have worked to qualify for the group stages.
Quite why Roma for example, would deserve a guaranteed place (if the rules were in place for this season) I don't know, as they have proven that they do not. This is just making it harder for anyone outside of those four leagues to achieve success in the Champions League. |
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Giving England, Italy, Spain, and Germany, guaranteed four teams in the Group stages, is however, one thing that they have got wrong.
The big clubs in Europe will be looking at our leagues latest TV deal and wanting UEFA to get deals that bring in big money. If they fail to do then some of the European big boys might start looking at forming something of their own to try and take control of negotiating a big TV deal. |
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I don't see how any other league will ever be able to replace the top 4 leagues. They have the most sides in the competition by default so will naturally remain at the top.
It's a ridiculous decision. Roma lost to Porto yet under this ruling would now be automatically entered into the group stages because what? How can one talk about mediocre sides being in the tournament when a so called big side can't even get past the qualifier. At present Italy has a 15 point lead over France in fifth but this ruling means the drawbridge is pulled up and then because they've got an automatic four from then on, they'll probably stand no chance of being caught. It's disgusting |
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I suppose it recognises the strength of the those leagues over the others, though its going to make the group stages a lot tougher as clubs will be more likely to meet teams from the other top leagues. At least from a revenue point of view it guarantees English clubs 6 games minimum.
With the Europa winners guaranteed a place as well, I'm not sure if they would count as as one of the four teams or if it would mean a country could potentially have five teams in the Champions League. |
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I suppose it recognises the strength of the those leagues over the others, though its going to make the group stages a lot tougher as clubs will be more likely to meet teams from the other top leagues. At least from a revenue point of view it guarantees English clubs 6 games minimum.
With the Europa winners guaranteed a place as well, I'm not sure if they would count as as one of the four teams or if it would mean a country could potentially have five teams in the Champions League. I would call it protectionism Quote:
"The amendments made will continue to ensure qualification based on sporting merit, and the right of all associations and their clubs to compete in Europe's elite club competitions.
LolWhat happens if after 3 years the big leagues want 5 or 6 sides in the CL? UEFA continue to make concessions for a select few which is a dangerous path. |
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If it allays the prospect of some kind of hideous closed shop breakaway, then I have no problem with idea. Clearly its an ideal to have the best teams in the competition, but they still have to earn the right. Its fundamental to football structure imo that there is the potential for movement from the very bottom to the very top (even if that prospect at its most extreme would need fairy dust to be realised).
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The strongest leagues nationally have been that way for decades, its not determined by the Champions League places. Belgium and Scotland aren't being denied the opportunity to eat at the table and suddenly have a massively respected league because Italy have four CL places.
Also if it makes the group stages a lot tougher then that implies an increase in the quality of the teams involved which is the aim. |
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Will "wildcards" or whatever be happening if big teams have a poor run of form,and miss out on European football completely as for example we did, and AC Milan have had in recent seasons, so that UEFA can get all of their favourite and much in demand teams into their prized competition??
It is just damaging the product to have it so one sided, and so much harder from teams outwith those four leagues. |
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Will "wildcards" or whatever be happening if big teams have a poor run of form,and miss out on European football completely as for example we did, and AC Milan have had in recent seasons, so that UEFA can get all of their favourite and much in demand teams into their prized competition??
It is just damaging the product to have it so one sided, and so much harder from teams outwith those four leagues. |
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It is just damaging the product to have it so one sided, and so much harder from teams outwith those four leagues.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this decision, the 'product' will only be enhanced by having the most-supported teams in it. Compare the prospective viewing figures of a match between Ludogrets and Copenhagen, and a match between Manchester United and AC Milan. The bigger clubs pull in the sponsorships and viewing figures. That's what it ultimately boils down to. |
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It doesn't damage the product to have the strongest teams in the competition. That isn't one sided. Its more exciting for everyone where you get scenarios where the groups are made up of strong teams, rather than where you can see the teams that are going to take a hiding.
Whereas before or previously, there was at least a semblance of so called "fairness", now things are just being tipped far too much in the favour of those four leagues. Having a place where we and the other leagues here where a team had to qualify, showed that it was not almost a closed shop, but with this decision, it is verging on that direction. Why should for example Roma get an automatic place in the group stages (if this ruling was for this season) and not Porto? Have Roma or the Italian league collectively proven that they are better than the Portuguese league? They are just looking at ways to appease the "bigger" clubs at the expense of the ones not classified as such. |
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But that's the complete opposite of the truth.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this decision, the 'product' will only be enhanced by having the most-supported teams in it. Compare the prospective viewing figures of a match between Ludogrets and Copenhagen, and a match between Manchester United and AC Milan. The bigger clubs pull in the sponsorships and viewing figures. That's what it ultimately boils down to. |
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The strongest leagues nationally have been that way for decades, its not determined by the Champions League places. Belgium and Scotland aren't being denied the opportunity to eat at the table and suddenly have a massively respected league because Italy have four CL places.
Also if it makes the group stages a lot tougher then that implies an increase in the quality of the teams involved which is the aim. |
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Have the Italian league collectively proven that they are better than the Portuguese league?
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Whichever way you want to look at it, yes, they have. That's why Italy are getting this guaranteed place, and Portugal are not. It's based on the co-efficient, which is based on past performance.
I think this is more about the historical big leagues, rather than any current thinking, as Italy really only have Juve, who are any decent these days. |
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