Well we definitely know without a doubt what you think of Bear and anyone supporting Bear. And you could well be aiming that last sentence to me too, but I too don't have a favourite, but it's absolutely anybody except Aubrey.

But by manipulating them to vote Bear as the eternal nominee (because that's what it was - a great idea to keep him in when he looked like he was going to play up for the camera) it ensured that the voting would be 'diluted' every single time, with the extra person up. Think about it, especially with it being a vote to save, the more people up every week, the less likely bully bear was to be voted out.

Of course. The anti-Bear vote will be split in a VTS and the more they put up - the bigger the split.

I knew they were messing big time when they put Ricky up and he only had 1 nom.

Spot on.

Channel5 / Endemol etc are just a load of bias tossers the " chavvier " the contestant the more they love them to push for Z lister status.

It has been a complete JOKE from start to end ,and won't surprise me if him and talentless ,slutty Marnie win ,just pathetic ,and no wonder REAL celebs give this show a wide berth now

It is TIME to change the title of the show ..certainly NOT Celebrity BB any more ..Trash in the extreme sadly ,as I loved the show once

I am not calling them dinosaurs because they dislike Bear I am calling people dinosaurs for not realising the game has changed. This is not the BB of old, it's become more like Ex on the Beach and Geordie Shore. This is channel 5, what did you expect would happen? It's no longer a social experiment but trash, car crash television.

The demographic C5 are chasing love Bear and they love Marnie, just check twitter. The dinosaurs on here moaning every night that BB is dead and that the show has been ruined need to get with the times or stop watching. It is not the same show anymore.

At least you realise that so props to you.

Why would you consider it unusual for us to tune into a show which has more than one person featuring in it, in the hope of seeing a fair amount of each of them (including Bear) rather than mostly just one person?

We tune in to see Big Brother housemateS not one single housemate. It's a group thing, social interaction, people watching. Not person watching.

Wannabe Trash Factor - Toxic Tantrums edition

Perhaps because I disagree with the anti-Bear brigade on this forum, where instead of taking their wrath and outrage against the production team, they've targeted the contestant.

And in any event, I just take the show each night as it is. Haven't watched BBOTS or the live feed. So I have in all honesty taken this as a not to be taken serious show. But some hms and fms have taken it to the next degree like really seriously. It's quite disturbing in some ways the extent some fms become so serious about things.

Not everyone.

The Production team cant be held responsible for the disgusting behaviour of Bear.

As I said yesterday, we only take it seriously for the few minutes of time we are discussing it, it's not affecting our lives in any real way. If we didn't take it seriously then the most enjoyable part of BB - this forum - wouldn't exist because we wouldn't consider discussing it.

So, perhaps we give it more of our time than we should, but it's fun and always has been fun discussing what goes on within those 4 walls. It's those who don't want to discuss it and just run from thread to thread shouting 'XXX to win' or Queen or King whoever' without discussing that one has to wonder why they even come on the forum.

If people are averse to reading criticism of housemates, whichever housemates that may be, then keep watching the show - but why go on a forum if discussion and criticism isn't their bag? It's sort of what a forum is for.

ETA: re your bib - it's what has always been done on here, people talk about the housemates - if they don't like them they say so, if they do, they say so. I don't get why suddenly you would think that would stop when a housemate who calls for so much attention is getting it?

Perhaps it's to do with letting go of the old type BB and accepting of this new BB where reality show type hms have been integrated amongst the 'celebs'.

This seems to be the biggest bone of contention with many fms where there's bona fida celebs versus unknowns (reality types).

But when the reality types actually dominate the show and gain attention, then that grates with fans of the celebs.

However, if the celebs do absolutely zero to entertain and keep their heads down, and the reality hms up the game, then what's to be expected?

I honesly don't care. I just try to accept it as it is these days.

It is obvious that Bear is presented in such a way as to elicit support for him. He will win, unless Frankie or Ricky can sneak in and get it.

I just hope I never see any of them again, and especially Bear.

That's the thing though, some of us believe that the others possibly might have been entertaining - they have been on live feed - but that they just haven't been featured because that's the way the producers wanted it.

Why not let US decide what's entertaining - they paid a lot of money for them, show them equally. It's not a lot to ask - it happens on the best scripted reality shows.

ETA: From what I've seen of TOWIE an dother shows of that ilk, young people seem to LOVE watching people sitting around doing not a lot talking about their lives - pretty much Big Brother

I haven't got a problem with reality stars, providing they're genuine, entertaining people with character.

What I don't want is stupid ***king mind games and childish behaviour. I don't want fake romances and I don't want poorly acted scripts. I don't want arguments for the sake of it and I don't want other people's emotions toyed with for 'entertainment'

Stick in 15 people I've never heard of, not a problem. Sure, call them 'celebrities', whatever, I don't mind.

It's not necessarily the applicants, it's more the job description and people doing the hiring that are the problem.

Yes.....

I'm not buying into that myth at all.

There is not one person or group that's ever been happy with the edited highlights in the past when we had live feed.

That's always been the case when it comes to edits.

If Frankie was fantastic, they'd be following his storyline all through given they have his feed to put out there.

But the fact is, he just wasn't enough to sustain a storyline.

Same with Aubrey, Renee, and Ricky.

That's the facts. Like it or not.

I think the debate has has gone beyond this now. I've never had a problem with reality TV stars being on BB and have actually known and liked many of them. The debate now is about the atrocious Bear dominating the show and the video clips. Clearly that is down to production and that is why this thread is talking about Channel 5's responsibility.

These are all legitimate arguments and I don't think it's fair or reasonable to just dismiss these views held by many as if we are all dinosaur viewers of BB as one poster on here termed it.

Look, I get your complaint. The theme was childish behaviour or daftness..........I don't know. But blame the production, not Bear. He earned his money if that was what he was employed to do.

There was that one day where they actually showed some other HMs and it was the best show of the series. I was so shocked I made a post about it.

At least we had Day 24 (or whatever day it was)

More usually lurking *waves. I watched live feed last night. Bear had a major petulant strop about not getting the most entertaining housemate. He was particularly aggravated with Ricky. What was shown on HL a bit of light-hearted fun, stealing the sash. BB keep on telling HM to sit down an keep quiet. To assist the faux calm of the highlights?