Trevor, I had serious arguments proposed here against production the last couple of years. Check out my past history if you don't believe me.

So for me to come to where I am now, then it has, firstly taken great restraint, but then due to other really serious family matters, it seriously came right down the scale. And from then on, I just see it as a total wind up of the public show. And it really is a wind up show. And Bear is an utter wind up merchant. So no way am I getting upset about it.

I've said the very same thing.

Cheers

Call the majority of us dinosaurs as much as you like but it doesn't say much about the likes of Bear fans to want such a talentless, spiteful and nasty piece of work to win who is not at all entertaining or amusing!

Bear cheated on his girlfriend, who was s'pose to be doing CBB to buy her an engagement ring and then gets off with the porn star Chloe instead. His antics with Chloe on national tv (all for his girlfriend to see) was disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself and anybody voting for him to win should be ashamed as well!

I gave up on this CBB because of the bias in favour of Bear. His bad behaviour has been covered up by the programme makers although we know he has had many warnings. He has been allowed to dominate the HLs, make the other hms uncomfortable and ruin their experience. This pathetic man whose only skill appears to be acting and talking like an attention seeking brat will be a worthy winner of the worst ever CBB. Let's hope the January one is better.

Well good for you and all that, but other people like coming here to have a natter about the unfairness of this series and this thread gives actual proof of that - it's not just sour grapes.

And it's not the usual forum partisan bollocks either. Loads of people who don't like Bear (like me) have no clear favourite HM that they're backing. It's not about slinging mud at Bear in defence of their fave it's because he's a bloody show ruiner (IMO) and he's been given preferential treatment in there.

Fair enough if you have any rebuttal arguments to put forward but telling people they need to 'get over it' because you have, isn't really going to cut it.

What, you said that Bear's not in any way responsible for his actions in there?

Where did you say that?

I get that the editing's not down to him, but he's not frickin blameless either.

The atmosphere in there has been toxic because of that tosser and not for the first time, the stress and negativity of the house has permeated this forum.

I know I'm not the only one who can't wait until it's over.

Do you know what Bunions, I've never had a problem with you, and in fact we've been on the same side most times. So don't make this divisive.

I never said 'get over it'

I watched live feed too - he was very put out at not winning "most entertaining" and kept shouting over Frankie. The edit was a total whitewash. God knows what else we haven't seen. I'm glad I gave up voting about 10 series ago. As Aubrey said - let him have this show and his 15 minutes of fame.

Hell no, I didn't say that!

I said the producers knew what they were getting with Stephen before they hired him and had ideas for his 'storyline' before the show even started. He would also have been told to play to type and between him and the production team they've ruined a whole series of BB.

It was all lavishly and articulately explained in a thread I made but a precious snowflake troll got offended when I questioned their intelligence so the whole thread was butchered. Went from a 5 page thread to 2 pages. There was a lot of good stuff in that one.

But conversely we have not seen anything nasty that Aubrey did or say....or what Renee did or say.

Or does it only work one way?

I mean for example we witnessed Aubrey kick Bear's garden retreat....egged on by Ricky and Renee etc.............but Bear refused to be annoyed.

That's just one example of Aubrey trying to get at Bear. But not one word about it on the forum.

Hang on she nudged a bit of foam seating after being tormented for weeks with a sustained campaign of antagonistic behaviour.

Are you defending Stephen's deliberate provocation of other housemates for his own amusement?
I even gave her a pass for spitting in the food, that's how vile I think Stephen has behaved. I don't where you're coming from.

I haven't got a problem with you Cat - I'm taking issue with what you seem to be saying, that's all.

I play the post, not the poster

Usually

I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you said but I took it that you're saying you're no longer bothered by this new direction the show is going in and you're okay with it.

Whereas this particular thread is about unfairness and people are just having a bit of a rant about it and because you're not bothered you don't seem to be very accepting of that.

TBH, when I saw what you were posting about Bear earlier, I honestly thought I must have mistaken you for someone else. For real.

'Cat' isn't quite as unique as many other forum handles and I put it down to mistaken identity on my part

I would love a court of law to find how much these contestants felt contestants as opposed to feeling elevated to have a purpose.

Aubrey and Renee loved Bear to give themselves a purpose. If he wasn't there, they'd have died a death.

We had literally one show where we were allowed to see the other HMs and it was awesome, I remember that day fondly.

Not sure about the court of law thing, maybe you can rephrase it for me?

That's not how group dynamics works though Cat.

If he wasn't there, who's to say which role each of them would have occupied?

They've been fire-fighting almost from day 1.

They haven't had a chance to bond as a group, it's always been those who support Bear on one side and those who oppose him on the other.

Exact same thing on this forum.

There's been plenty of negativity towards Aubrey on this forum. As it happens, I find her a good HM. Interesting, intelligent and talented. Difficult to show those things off when you have a demented overgrown toddler trying to wind you up 24/7

I noticed that too, it completely changed what actually happened on live feed. I was really hoping that they'd show it in its entireity, not just because it showed Stephen throwing his toys out of his pram, but for my possibly favourite Big Brother moment of the series - All housemates must be quiet, that means you Bear.

It was one of the psyche's on the side who mentioned the psychological effect of an oppressive presence and how different personality types handle that. She called it the 'drunk guy on the bus effect'.

Some people approach, (Renee) some collude (Colin, Lewis) and others avoid and shut down.

His very presence meant their behaviour was altered so we didn't get to see how they would have been. Most people spent a lot of the time trying to keep their heads down and complaining about him to each other.

He literally ruined the experience for everyone, most of the viewing public included.

This is what I mean as an example. You say that Aubrey is challenged by an overgrown toddler. I witnessed an overgrown spoilt brat in Aubrey.

Aubrey was brought out by Bear. As was Renee. They both are horrible females. No warmth and totally ruthless.

Hi Cat, I'm quite surprised that you think we should take our anger out on the production team rather than Bear. Surely Bear is responsible for his own behaviour? I'm outraged at Bears behaviour, how malicious and annoying he has been to other housemates, wasting food, throwing it away and breaking eggs everywhere! I find Bear nasty, spiteful and very immature and yes I am angry with the production team with letting him get away with silly warnings when he should have been thrown out for his disgusting behaviour! Why didn't they show us the Sam incident where he nearly damaged her eyesight for ever with a stupid prank. The reason they didn't show it was because they knew there would be uproar!

I am shocked that you haven't watched live feed this year which has shown us more of other housemates rather than the 'Bear show' in the highlights. I think that would have given you a eye opener to other people's characters and just how bad Bear has been!

At the end of the day I don't bother getting angry these days, the shows not worth the emotion anymore ever since Helen Wood won. I could take it or leave it now and I look at Bear as an irritant, like a fly that I want to swat!

As for the talentless reality stars, I'm sick of them and gone are the days of the real Celeb Big Brother!' Just as I will be gone soon because I find them all so tedious and boring!

So if Bear wasn't there, what scenario do you propose as divisions and likely leaders?

It's interesting, what I saw is two women try every tactic to try and gain some normality from Stephen. Everything failed because he was set on his mission like a missile.

Yes, he got them to break, through exhaustion with it all and frustration. Is that a good thing? No, not really, it's a shit thing. He took them to the ends of their tether and kept pushing, that's horrible behaviour.

Aubrey, ***king legend that she is tore him to pieces and the child like mind of Mr Bear had nothing in repsonse because he's not a deep thinker is ol' Stevie, very much in the moment, surface level kind of guy.

I'm not sure what you're championing here.

I don't know what to say other than I'm flabbergasted that a lot of fms that said they'd never take this show seriously, suddenly are taking this show seriously, and getting really wound up. I'm amazed actually.........truly absolutely astoundingly out of my mind out of it..........can't believe it. Well I rest my case

Bear never broke these women ever.

These two are the most ruthless hms ever.