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What Vote to Save "actually" means - It's not perhaps what you think in BB's eyes
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storminmike
26-08-2016
From a source

The question to BB

In the eviction episode where it was reported that Chloe Khan and Marnie Simpson polled the lowest it is fair to assume that one polled less "saves" than the other unless there was a freak of exact voting parity
Can you show me a copy of voting terms and conditions where it states the outcome will not be decided "wholly" by the least save votes?
The only reference seen to date in the T and Cs where this is made prominent is item 6 "In the event of a tie"
I believe that voters were being asked to spend money to save and that it is possible that they have been mislead
a) the least voted for could escape due to the intervention of a game of chance
b) the 2nd least voted to save would in the viewers eyes be entitled to be safe were it not for production intervention to nullify their intent and introduce a game of chance

Extract from the T and C

Terms and conditions
6 The Vote result
All eligible votes from the premium rate phone voting routes will be aggregated prior to any result announcement.
The result of the Vote, where practicable, will be announced during the relevant Big Brother or Celebrity Big Brother Eviction programme or final.
In the event of a tie, Big Brother’s decision as to the outcome of the Vote and/or the method of determining the outcome of the Vote is final and binding.



The Answer

Dear Viewer
Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Celebrity Big Brother.

In promotion of the voting, it was announced, as is the usual case with Celebrity Big Brother, that viewers could vote to save a nominated housemate. The housemate with the most votes, James Whale, was saved.

Once the housemate to be saved was decided, by the viewers' votes, the fate of other housemates was entirely a matter for Big Brother.

We hope this clarifies the position for you.

Yours sincerely

XXXX
VIEWER ADVISOR

I ask this question

So did you think it was the one with the "least" saves went?
Did they ever announce that the one with the "least" saves went?
Have they ever qualified what it means because I cant find the reply in BB FAQ?
When you spent your money did you do so knowing that the "most" seemed only to have eviction immunity

VTS unless qualified on screen has the potential to mislead..IMO of course

p.s. neither Chloe or Marnie were my faves so who went in this instance is irrelevant to me
honeythewitch
26-08-2016
Bloody hell! Where did you hear this, Mike?
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“ Bloody hell! Where did you hear this, Mike?”

It's a true written reply from BB
storminmike
26-08-2016
I also scoured the T and c section and this "qualification" does not seem to appear anywhere..but trust me it did come from BB
storminmike
26-08-2016
If Emma said....."The HM with the least votes will leave " or WTTE then its covered I guess....but if they did not...well...did you think it was a sliding scale from most to least with least the one to go?
Lee_Bo
26-08-2016
It's wonderfully ambiguous and lets them do what they want.

VTS is exactly that, the one with the most votes is saved. It doesn't then elaborate what happens to the remaining housemates, which is up to their discretion.

I agree, it's not right but then what is with BB nowadays.
GibsonSG
26-08-2016
Goodness, what a fix. Why bother voting.
rhizo_mania
26-08-2016
Another loophole why am I not surprised.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lee_Bo:
“It's wonderfully ambiguous and lets them do what they want.

VTS is exactly that, the one with the most votes is saved. It doesn't then elaborate what happens to the remaining housemates, which is up to their discretion.

I agree, it's not right but then what is with BB nowadays.”

It begs the question... did they invoke this.....apart from the "wheel"
Did in reality was the one with lowest saves in all other evictions actually the one that went
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“Goodness, what a fix. Why bother voting.”

Some have....and did they feel they knew this was a possible outcome if their vote was for neither the one with the most or the one with least...if votes were published that is
Barracute
26-08-2016
Unless specifically stated otherwise, i always assume in a vote to save the one with the least votes goes, the opposite of vote to evict where the one with the most goes. If there is a planned twist in which this may not be the case it should be stated clearly before the vote is opened so you know what you are voting for.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by Barracute:
“Unless specifically stated otherwise, i always assume in a vote to save the one with the least votes goes, the opposite of vote to evict where the one with the most goes. If there is a planned twist in which this may not be the case it should be stated clearly before the vote is opened so you know what you are voting for.”

Which is what the question sought to clarify due to the "intervention" of spin the wheel and how that could come about

...twist or selective choice doesn't appear int T and C as Emma always advises you to check

...a bit like the evictees list which changes any perception of what qualifies to put on the potential eviction list (like this week when they dragged the less than 3 in to thin out the anti bear vote) but that doesn't involve money....the subject here does though
Aura101
26-08-2016
I don't understand why they didn't just tell us about the twist when announcing phone numbers. Emma did already say there would be some twist happening that night, this was before lines opened.
Also Marcus and Rylan dropped the ''who stays you decide'' tagline during that week. So why not just explain that the bottom 2 would be part of a twist?
BabelBrook
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by storminmike:
“It begs the question... did they invoke this.....apart from the "wheel"
Did in reality was the one with lowest saves in all other evictions actually the one that went”

Doesn't Emma normally say " the HM with the least votes and leaving" or WTTE
cah
26-08-2016
I always assumed the one with the least Votes went ,due to Emma announcing it that way when she goes to the house ...She always says ''The Person with the fewest votes and the X HM to be evicted is .....
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“Doesn't Emma normally say " the HM with the least votes and leaving" or WTTE”

Most likely in you mind yes...but so much has changed I don't actually know if she does because that's what we "think" she says
BabelBrook
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by storminmike:
“Most likely in you mind yes...but so much has changed I don't actually know if she does because that's what we "think" she says ”

LOL you could be right. I am not sufficiently bothered to go back and check.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by cah:
“I always assumed the one with the least Votes went ,due to Emma announcing it that way when she goes to the house ...She always says ''The Person with the fewest votes and the X HM to be evicted is .....”

Which may actually be true.....(or not) but this was trying to ascertain if the voters choice or lack of in this case could be subverted if they wanted and as was done in the wheel spin. The answer is yes it seems as they almost certainly didn't have the exact same votes

Thing is did knowing there was a twist when you spent your money meant your money/vote would be ignored?
intoxication
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by storminmike:
“If Emma said....."The HM with the least votes will leave " or WTTE then its covered I guess....but if they did not...well...did you think it was a sliding scale from most to least with least the one to go?”

Noticeably in double evictions she says WTTE of "The Great British public has been voting to save and the housemates with the fewest votes and finishing in xxx and xxx place are..."

The charade like the "Wheel Decider" thing is something I liken to The Judges Vote on X Factor and the reason why they upped it to four judges from three = more control. If the producers want to keep someone who polled in the bottom two then they can and there is nothing in the rules that say they can't. More fool anyone that still votes, after they put Nikki back in with eligibility to still win way back in BB7 after people had paid to evict her it was evident that voting for this show was shady.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by intoxication:
“Noticeably in double evictions she says WTTE of "The Great British public has been voting to save and the housemates with the fewest votes and finishing in xxx and xxx place are..."

The charade like the "Wheel Decider" thing is something I liken to The Judges Vote on X Factor and the reason why they upped it to four judges from three = more control. If the producers want to keep someone who polled in the bottom two then they can and there is nothing in the rules that say they can't. More fool anyone that still votes, after they put Nikki back in with eligibility to still win way back in BB7 after people had paid to evict her it was evident that voting for this show was shady.”

You are 100% in parallels with X factor where voters "presumed" intent can be subverted
BabelBrook
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by storminmike:
“Which may actually be true.....(or not) but this was trying to ascertain if the voters choice or lack of in this case could be subverted if they wanted and as was done in the wheel spin. The answer is yes it seems as they almost certainly didn't have the exact same votes

Thing is did knowing there was a twist when you spent your money meant your money/vote would be ignored?”

I guess the people who should feel aggrieved should be anyone who voted for Chloe although I suspect the wheel only confirmed the public's choice in that instance.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“I guess the people who should feel aggrieved should be anyone who voted for Chloe although I suspect the wheel only confirmed the public's choice in that instance.”

Did Chloe "actually" get the least saves? I haven't been looking for voting figures personally
cah
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by storminmike:
“Which may actually be true.....(or not) but this was trying to ascertain if the voters choice or lack of in this case could be subverted if they wanted and as was done in the wheel spin. The answer is yes it seems as they almost certainly didn't have the exact same votes

Thing is did knowing there was a twist when you spent your money meant your money/vote would be ignored?”

Who Knows Mike ,I'm Just Baffled at people who still Vote at all ,I've never Voted since BB2 and never would on any ''Reality'' Show ,so have no idea what people that Actually vote think
intoxication
26-08-2016
EDIT: To my post above - Channel 4 used to pull tricks like this all the time but at least they were slicker about it. They wanted to keep Makosi in BB6 and predicted she would get the most nominations (the week her and Vanessa were up) and so, before the HMs nominated, they announced to the viewers that for that week the HMs with the fewest votes would be subjected to a vote from their fellow housmates who would then decide who would be evicted. With Makosi's position in the house and knowing Vanessa was the weaker HM they knew Makosi would stay and they got what they wanted (I believe the producers really studied the HMs more in the earlier series and preempted them and orchestrated drama). These days they would simply have Makosi do a simple task and awarded her immunity because they are lazy.
storminmike
26-08-2016
Originally Posted by intoxication:
“EDIT: To my post above - Channel 4 used to pull tricks like this all the time but at least they were slicker about it. They wanted to keep Makosi in BB6 and predicted she would get the most nominations (the week her and Vanessa were up) and so, before the HMs nominated, they announced to the viewers that for that week the HMs with the fewest votes would be subjected to a vote from their fellow housmates who would then decide who would be evicted. With Makosi's position in the house and knowing Vanessa was the weaker HM they knew Makosi would stay and they got what they wanted (I believe the producers really studied the HMs more in the earlier series and preempted them and orchestrated drama). These days they would simply have Makosi do a simple task and awarded her immunity because they are lazy.”

Ha Ha...that is so true .....up there with IACGMOOH "medical reasons"
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