Given it was her and Marnie bottom two I think it unlikely she fared better. Of course we will never know for sure.

Double post

That's interesting Mike, thank you for posting that.

Just double checked on a couple of the eviction nights and yes, Emma does state that the person leaving received the least number of votes. On the doubles (or at least on the James and Lewis one, which is the one I just checked) she clarifies where each of the two evictees placed.

I don't still have Chloes eviction night on my planner, but I'm fairly sure that on that occasion she didn't specify their order - merely that they were the two lowest. Thus enabling them to play the wheel game. So that does seem to be the only occasion where we can't be 100% certain the lowest voted one definitely left. From the reply your source sent you though, *IF* they wanted to they could just boot any bugger out at the drop of a hat even after all the voting, as long as they didn't do it to the one that got the most 'saves' they wouldn't technically be at fault.

They say it every week, the one with the least votes is : NAME..

BUT they allow themselves the option to alter how they leave, IE the Marnie and Chloe thing.

It IS fair game.

The principle of vote to save that the top person is saved regardless. if ALL the others go, that's not a breach, is it? (as they didn't get enough votes to save them)

Thanks to the OP for letting us know this... just when you think things can't get any more shady....

That isn't what happened in bb6 when Vanessa was evicted.

And even if it were what had happened, it wouldn't mean "Channel 4 used to pull tricks like this all the time". Can you think of some other examples?

While that makes sense, I think it reckons without the dreaded vote freezes.

When there's a vote freeze when it's vote-to-save, it's the HMs with the most votes who are declared safe, and then voting resumes for the remaining HMs. The HM who had the least votes at that point might not go.

So what seems to have happened is that BB's decided the fate of such remaining HMs can be decided in some other way instead, rather than by resumed voting.

Or look at it this way: with vote-to-evict, the one with the most votes is evicted; with vote-to-save, the one with the most votes is saved. Isn't that already opposite enough?

However, I would argue that "who stays; you decide" is most naturally understood as meaning that every HM who stays after voting begins stays because of votes, and not because of something else that BB invents, especially since that's what's always happened in the past. Viewers have a reasonable expectation that their votes decide who stays, and not only one of those who stays.

Of course, it's different if BB announces in advance that the fate of the bottom 2 or 3 or whatever will be decided in some other way. That's fine. (I take it that's not what happened in this case.)


Ah! So if they dropped "who stays; you decide", that suggests they know that normally they can't use the sort of tricks they did that week.

Vote to save can also mean that the HM's (multiple) who get the most votes are saved. When there is a twist that the bottom two are not safe and subject to a twist to see who goes it does need to be explained before voting opens that you are voting to save HM's from being the bottom two.

I think in the case of Marnie and Chloe fates being decided by spin the wheel was explained before voting opened, correct me if I am wrong. So its was part of the game and everyone who voted knew they were saving their fav from being the bottom 2.

VTE and VTS are two completely different games and I would like to see a series where both are used. 2 or 3 up VTE and 4 or more VTS with no interference from production.

What are you talking about? It happened exactly as I said it. Which part of my post is untrue??

As for any other examples, how about their inconsistency regarding rules so that they stopped certain people nominating in order to get their desired result up? Victor and Jason in BB5, Sezer in BB7, the HWH House fiasco in BB8 to name a few...

Are we not talking about Week 7 in bb6, the week Vanessa was evicted?

It had nothing to do with who "would get the most nominations". The number of nominations isn't even what decided who was up that week.


Those are all about affecting who was up, not using a peculiar, never-seen-before interpretation of what viewers votes meant.

When BB was on C4, they never treated vote-to-evict as meaning that the voters decided the fate of only one of the HMs who was up, and BB could do whatever thay wanted with the rest.

(BTW, re "they put Nikki back in with eligibility to still win way back in BB7 after people had paid to evict her" -- people no more paid to evict her than I paid to evict Aisleyne. At least the ones who voted for Nikki got what they wanted for 4 weeks.)

yes, they also did it the week Winston was evicted during the winter BB, people were saying they needed a twist to evict Winston as he 'probably' didnt have the least votes and they wanted rid of him, however the fact the tagline was dropped that week, tells me the twist was planned all along. Alot of people do not pick up on these small details. However i do

That week the housemates were told Big Brother would lie to them twice, they were told nominating was optional and during the week Anthony, Craig and Kemal thought they were up for eviction because they were the only ones to nominate, that was the second lie. The twist was revealed on the Friday night, then they were told Makosi and Vanessa had received the most votes to be evicted, with the housemates voting for which one of the two would be evicted and six housemates voted to evict Vanessa with only Kemal voting for Makosi. (Makosi had received the most of the public's votes.)

I'm not sure I'd believe this. Yes, they have gotten lazier and perhaps more brazen in orchestrating twists to keep certain housemates in - Bear, Marc etc. But BB6 was very volatile series with plenty of arguments and conflict. As arguments were so common that series, for the most part in HL shows we wouldn't even see the build-up to an argument, just Marcus narrating that Science and Maxwell were arguing yet again about something or other! So to just know that housemates would choose Makosi over Vanessa sounds like a massive risk to take in a house that seemed so unpredictable and fraught at the best of times.

Does anyone here know what the stats show on The X Factor results. I know they're revealed at the end of every series but have the judges ever saved the last place singer?