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Old 26-08-2016, 20:48
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So he is quite happy for Sonia, Tina and a 15 year old to look after Slyvie alone, sleep and hold down their own jobs while he decides everyone wlse can be off doing their thing and have no one on any stand by for times when Sonia and Tina are both having to work and it's really too much for Bex alone.

Honestly he is disgustingly selfish. He could have Atleat had her sat at the bar and kept an eye on her. I honesly want him killed off asap. He's all talk but at the end of the day he doesn't help anyone.
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Old 26-08-2016, 20:51
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I'm equally angry at Tina...why on earth can't she explain the situation properly and emphasise that Sylvie isn't Sonia's responsibility.
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Old 26-08-2016, 20:53
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I'm equally angry at Tina...why on earth can't she explain the situation properly and emphasise that Sylvie isn't Sonia's responsibility.
She's just as bad but at least she is trying by trying to write a roter. Mick is just rude and I don't think she has the guts to tell him how it is. He is like talking to a brick wall.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:05
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I feel that if Mick still thought that Sylvie was his mother, he'd be doing everything to atleast try and help out.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:08
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So he is quite happy for Sonia, Tina and a 15 year old to look after Slyvie alone, sleep and hold down their own jobs while he decides everyone wlse can be off doing their thing and have no one on any stand by for times when Sonia and Tina are both having to work and it's really too much for Bex alone.

Honestly he is disgustingly selfish. He could have Atleat had her sat at the bar and kept an eye on her. I honesly want him killed off asap. He's all talk but at the end of the day he doesn't help anyone.
He spent most of his life thinkng his mum had abandoned him. then it turns out his "mum" was actually his gran and so he was abandoned by both his mum and his gran.

Tina and Shirley should be responsible for Slyvie as they are her closet family members.

Mick is her grandson and if you are gonna cal, him out then you can say Zsa Zsa and Dean are even more selfish

but the point is, she abandoned him and he owes her nothing!
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:11
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I feel that if Mick still thought that Sylvie was his mother, he'd be doing everything to atleast try and help out.
She's still his gran though! If it was me I'd do everything I could regardless if I had tl get someone to cover. You can't expect one unit of people to drop everything and have to risk getting sacked, use holiday time or have to quit their jobs because you with a family run business don't want to ruin their social lives or have to move anyone around.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:13
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He spent most of his life thinkng his mum had abandoned him. then it turns out his "mum" was actually his gran and so he was abandoned by both his mum and his gran.

Tina and Shirley should be responsible for Slyvie as they are her closet family members.

Mick is her grandson and if you are gonna cal, him out then you can say Zsa Zsa and Dean are even more selfish

but the point is, she abandoned him and he owes her nothing!
It's him who controls the entire lot though. Everyone goes to him. She is still family and even Shirley seems to be getting over the abuse now but As Tina went to Mick and said Shirley's working...Shirley doesn't even know Tina needed someone else to watch her at that moment.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:13
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Mick the family man always harping on about family but when its time to take stock does a runner
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:19
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Hypocrite and a selfish oaf, he'd rather play happy families with that scum Babe, just because she can cook & make that slop she calls trifle than help out an ill family member.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:20
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Has Mick said anything about paying back the 50k that Babe stole from the Coker's yet?
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:24
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Has Mick said anything about paying back the 50k that Babe stole from the Coker's yet?
Knowing Mick he'd hold a karaoke party in the Cokers honour as he seems to think that solves everything. Mick has been mute about the 50k
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:25
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Vile creature, but how much is poor writing? How many chances does fat pig Babe get?
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:29
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She's still his gran though! If it was me I'd do everything I could regardless if I had tl get someone to cover. You can't expect one unit of people to drop everything and have to risk getting sacked, use holiday time or have to quit their jobs because you with a family run business don't want to ruin their social lives or have to move anyone around.
Yeah I agree. It just seems like when Sylvie first came to the square, Mick really wanted to get to know his 'mum', even though she had dementia and was struggling.

Ever since Sylvie returned this year though, Mick seems to think of her as a nuisance, even though she is still his gran. Mick had Sylvie for one night and thought it was hell - Tina/Sonia/Bex have Sylvie every night and he's still too busy to help out.

It's as if he sees Tina as a way of getting rid of Sylvie so he doesn't have to handle her.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:46
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Mick couldn't do enough for her when she first turned up and if we're bringing up past acts, he accepted Stan back into his life and helped care for him despite him letting him go into Care, he forgives and loves shirley despite her having tried to drown him when he was a baby, walking out on them when she had her own family, burning down his Mother in Laws pub and let's not get onto Babe where baby farming, blackmail and indeed concealing Sylvie from them for years are all deemed okay.

So, i don't think that can be accepted as an excuse. He insists that family is family but that doesn't extend to Sylvie who is still his Grandmother and very sick and vulnerable. Even if he feels nothing for her, he is supposed to love Tina so should try a bit harder for her sake at least.

If he doesn't feel capable of helping for whatever reason, that he just doesn't see why he should as he feels no responsibility or affection or that he genuinely can't fit it round work or he fears she will endanger the rest of his family he needs to man up and tell Tina that straight - that he will NEVER be helping her and she needs to sort out Care on that basis rather than fudging it one request at a time.

I do find it disgusting that he (and Linda) seem happy to have the burden of responsibility and work fall on a people who really isn't related to her at all (Sonia) and who has a responsible job to hold down as a Nurse and even worse, a 15 year old girl sho apparently it is fine to leave alone with a woman they consider to be a danger to their child.

Of course Bex isn't as vulnerable as Oliver, wouldn't suggest for a minute that she is, but she is still legally a child and what happens if Sylvie becomes violent with her? Does Bex have to defend herself and then face possible consequences of that? Plus the emotional turmoil involved (and as somebody that was a child / teenager when theur Gran had Dementia and was cared for in the Home, i do know what i'm talking about) especially as Sylvie can be verbally abusive. Now, as said, sometimes it is unavoidable that a child will witness that if an elderly relative is sick (as in my case) and you do cope. But they are happy to leave her looking after Sylvie as they go for a drink, they weren't even working.

Shirley isn't much better but at least she's honest about it and her reasons for not being able to get over the past or want to help. Same with Babe.

Zsa Zsa and Dean aren"'t around so I don't really see how that is relevant. And oddly, iirc, the few times Dean did meet her, he was quite good with sylvie.
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Old 26-08-2016, 21:54
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Tina acts like a kid though
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:00
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There is a huge problem with the Carters in that they seem to have completely changed the way they are writing for them. The Mick of 2014 and even most of 2015 would have been bending over backwards to help in any way he could, probably for anybody in the Square let alone his own Gran. He would also have been disgusted about Babe's actions, especially towards the Cokers and doing everything he could to make it up to them rather than just shrugging it off which is what seems to have happened here. But then, apparently baby farming is forgivable because Babe couldn't bring herself to sell him because he was related to her.

What kind of morality or logic is that?

I increasingly think that DTC didn't have any arc planned for the Carters after the rape resolution so they started coasting and the new Producer just doesn't have the same fondness for them as DTC did.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:00
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Sylvie abused Shirley then ran out on the family for years. Mick didn't even remember her unlike Stan who there was bad blood with but at least Mick remembered him being around.

He can't have her stay with them as the Vic is packed and they have Ollie to think about. Sylvie's already threatened him once (which precludes Sylvie even being there for the day), not to mention the fact they think she tried to kill Babe. It's only Tina who wants her around. She should be in a home.

He can't run a pub and run around after a dementia patient who is to all intents and purposes a stranger to him. Family is about more than blood.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:06
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Tina acts like a kid though
Yes she does.

Her intentions are good but she isn't grown up enough to think through the practicalities or reality of something like this.

The thing is, she knows this about herself, she stated that she failed as a Mother and would again if she had another one, despite being more than 20 years older so she shouldn't have one.

So why can't she see that caring for somebody with Dementia is just as big a 24/7 responsibility as that - in some ways harder because at least you can put stair gates up and babies/toddlers can't unlock front doors whereas an adult with Dementia can, they can 'escape' when they aren't able to cope outside on their own. So essentially, part of being a Carer is also being a 'Gaoler' - as horrible as that sounds.

And, it could go on for years, possibly as long as it would to raise a child from birth to adulthood.

If she can't see that herself, then other people need to make her see it. And again, it shouldn't just be Sonia.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:09
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He could of at least made a effort instead of fobbing Tina off, selfish beyond belief, if its not in his interest he doesn't care, the whole lot of them are the same.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:09
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Running a half empty pub isn't really hard grafting. Slyvie could easily just sat at the bar. Tina should have walked out and left her there. What could Mick have done?
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:12
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Sylvie abused Shirley then ran out on the family for years. Mick didn't even remember her unlike Stan who there was bad blood with but at least Mick remembered him being around.

He can't have her stay with them as the Vic is packed and they have Ollie to think about. Sylvie's already threatened him once (which precludes Sylvie even being there for the day), not to mention the fact they think she tried to kill Babe. It's only Tina who wants her around. She should be in a home.

He can't run a pub and run around after a dementia patient who is to all intents and purposes a stranger to him. Family is about more than blood.
True enough but why does he think it is okay for Bex (and Lilly and Arthur if they are visiting their sister) to be subjected to it? And he clearly does think it is okay as he was chuffed when Bex offered to stay with her so they could all go for a drink.

Tonight he seemed to think that Sylvie was fit to be left on her own, that she "doesn't need to be watched all the time" so why couldn't she just sit in the Pub if she doesn't need to be watched all the time? Why can't she be trusted near Ollie if she "doesn't need to be watched all the time".

It's contradictory.

I can understand why he doesn't want to be involved and doesn't see why he should have to be given the history (though again contradictory as he's forgiven, and been there for other family members that hurt him and he'd had little contact with) but he should bite the bullet and tell Tina that and make it clear that if she wants to care for Sylvie, she is completely on her own with it rather than dodging the issue.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:15
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Running a half empty pub isn't really hard grafting. Slyvie could easily just sat at the bar. Tina should have walked out and left her there. What could Mick have done?
Exactly what i just posted.

If he reckons she was okay to be left home alone with a dvd, then she should have been okay sitting in the Pub.

Fact is, he just doesn't WANT t be involved and will make any excuse, and rely on anybody else, or risk her hurting herself by being left home alone, not to be.

Which is pretty disgusting.

If he won't be involved, stop being a coward and say that.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:15
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It's the writers having no cohesion.
The way they're handling the Sylvie situation is beyond ridiculous to me.
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:30
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It's the writers having no cohesion.
The way they're handling the Sylvie situation is beyond ridiculous to me.
because it is a plot device for
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Old 26-08-2016, 22:32
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Sylvie definitely could have sat in the bar
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