Originally Posted by rollockingbat:
“Spot on for me there, Boogie. I'm so sick and tired of Corrie having villains that come in, are supposed to be all evil under the surface but no-one believes that they are, then suddenly having them turn nasty, have everyone be shocked and then getting rid of them. It's been going on for the last decade now and it's so dull. Connor McIntyre ha been the most convincing baddie the street has had since Maya - why would you not want him to stick around as long as possible? It's good writing to me that viewers are beginning to question the motives of a character rather than the character themselves if that makes sense. We're not sure if he does really care for Eileen where as with previous villains it would have been spelled out in black and white for us as to whether that was the case. It keeps him interesting. I also slowly like how other members of the street are starting to cast their doubts on him too, rather than just everyone believing Anna to just be a crazy person.
I can't agree there, they should get as much out of Phelan as they can in my book, as otherwise, they'll just bring in another villain afterwards and continue the cycle. It's good they're giving some three-dimension to a villain.”
“Spot on for me there, Boogie. I'm so sick and tired of Corrie having villains that come in, are supposed to be all evil under the surface but no-one believes that they are, then suddenly having them turn nasty, have everyone be shocked and then getting rid of them. It's been going on for the last decade now and it's so dull. Connor McIntyre ha been the most convincing baddie the street has had since Maya - why would you not want him to stick around as long as possible? It's good writing to me that viewers are beginning to question the motives of a character rather than the character themselves if that makes sense. We're not sure if he does really care for Eileen where as with previous villains it would have been spelled out in black and white for us as to whether that was the case. It keeps him interesting. I also slowly like how other members of the street are starting to cast their doubts on him too, rather than just everyone believing Anna to just be a crazy person.
I can't agree there, they should get as much out of Phelan as they can in my book, as otherwise, they'll just bring in another villain afterwards and continue the cycle. It's good they're giving some three-dimension to a villain.”
I suppose there’s some wisdom in that but for me the answer for whether or not Phelan cares for Eileen is simple: He doesn’t. I think that’s been spelled out in black and white quite well, it’s just not everyone agrees. In that sense, he’s perhaps less three-dimensional than other villains, who all seemed to have people they definitely cared about. With Phelan, all we’ve got is an episode or two of him telling Eileen to go to the doctor about her hearing, against months of him treating her like a slightly annoying meal ticket that he’s clearly going to ditch the moment he no longer needs her. I agree Conor McIntyre is doing a good job, but for me that good job is portraying Phelan as someone who’s just scum and doesn’t care about anyone. He’ll be nice to them or help them out if it’s not too much trouble and he’s got no reason not to, but that’s not the same as caring about them. I’m also struggling to see how the characters are starting to question him. With a very few exceptions who you could count on the fingers of one hand, most of whom have got first hand evidence of his evil side, everyone just seems to accept him without question: Witness the way that everyone who didn’t hate him anyway just shrugged off his involvement in the flat scam. I’d rather have a cycle of villains coming in and their storylines finishing than an endless cyclic of “Phelan does something bad, he gets away with it, Phelan does something else bad, he gets away with it”, which for me is the definition of boring. Running a villain into the ground by dragging their storyline out past its end date (which, frankly, is what’s already happened) just makes everyone involved look bad: The bad guy that he keeps screwing up and failing to get what he wants, the good guys that they keep failing to stop or even recognise the bad guy.



