Why is KEVIN so much hated on this forum?

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Ochre

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Reading that article, it looks as though she decided herself to do it, rather than take notice of what other people said. In fact, it looks as though the only one who said anything was Kevin himself!!

Lots of people have voice training if they want to pursue a career in acting, and I suspect this was her main reason, given the choices she is making with recent work.”

BIB Exactly. Sure she'll be the same sounding excitable Jo from Grimsby with her family and friends

Joanne is singing as Marilyn at the Sunday At The Musicals charity event in London this evening . . . just before Fantine apparently

She's posting some lovely photos with other performers on her Twitter.

MaggieMcGee

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I don't think it's that they were featured less, it's just that the show was a lot less stage-managed in trying to get all of them over. They just let the ones who swam swim by constantly pushing them, and the ones who didn't take immediately were allowed to drown. If you were, say, an Oti, who was gone in week 2, you didn't get invited back for funny segments on It Takes Two, you didn't do the Xmas Special, you didn't stand in the back of the Tesspit for weeks and weeks after you were eliminated, and you didn't have social media to keep yourself relevant, so you disappeared, except maybe to be near the back of a pro dance. Meanwhile the pros the public did like were pushed to the moon and back. People talk about pros being "shoved down our throats now" (and to be fair, there are a lot more external media opportunities now that the show is a massive deal) but it's a lot more even-handed than it used to be. Lilia was absolutely presented as the best thing since sliced bread from the second she landed, and it didn't lay off until about Series 6.

There's also the issue that Kevin gets the splashback for supposedly being pushed when other pros don't. I remember last year, when (even with my having said all of the above) Gleb did get one of the most absurdly outsized pushes a new pro's ever received, like "don't look at me Aljaz!" on crack, with everyone constantly fawning over his looks and his body and his exciting wacky choreography and did he get negativity because of it? No, in fact we were expected to feel sorry for him for being "objectified" all the time the poor love, as he ripped his shirt open for no reason every other show and shilled a calendar where you could see his crabladder.”

I have never heard of a crabladder before!

Much though I'm a fan of the Glebster I agree with your comments and the defence of KFG.

Ochre

28-08-2016

Slightly O/T but there's an interview with Joanne in the Daily Star today where she talks about her sibling rivalry with Kevin . . . 'I'm out to get him this year. Kevin is not getting further than me . . . There is only a year between us so there has always been a loving competitiveness. But I’ve always been the little sister who he would try his wrestling moves on. So I want to get him back for that.'

She also again confirms she will be partnered with a celeb this year.

Leicester_Hunk

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by memmh:
“The little girl voice was during Joanne's first series. She took speech lessons after that. Joanne and Kevin talk about her voice near the end of this article:

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...Joanne-Clifton”

Maybe she could give Helen Skelton some lessons

I was amazed to find out Joanne is 32 years old. Thought she was much much younger than Kevin.

JohnStannard

28-08-2016

because he's cocky arrogant and too extravagant in his choreography, the geeky glasses don't help either, he should be better suited on DWTS, he's too favoured having never had a duffer hence why I put Lesley with him. I don't mind Karen but get rid of him and Joanne as they're annoying and having all 3 means they are taking over the show as they are a fith of the whole pro line up

bendymixer

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“because he's cocky arrogant and too extravagant in his choreography, the geeky glasses don't help either, he should be better suited on DWTS, he's too favoured having never had a duffer hence why I put Lesley with him. I don't mind Karen but get rid of him and Joanne as they're annoying and having all 3 means they are taking over the show as they are a fith of the whole pro line up”

yeah get rid of two dancers of their calibre and keep your fave of course who ballroom or latin wise cannot hold a candle to most of the pros on the show

JohnStannard

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“yeah get rid of two dancers of their calibre and keep your fave of course who ballroom or latin wise cannot hold a candle to most of the pros on the show”

Latin I agree isn't the strength but ballroom I completely disagree, if its that bad why is my fave still there? must be doing something right otherwise they wouldn't last 14 series

Strictly_Dance

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by Midnight Moggy:
“I have to agree with you, I think Kevin is great. He's one of my favourite pros, certainly my favourite male pro.

I love his routines and all the themes, especially last year, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Oliver Twist. I admire his speed, energy and enthusiasm when dancing.

He always get on well with all his celebs and is patient with them. He is obviously a good teacher, that's why he got all 3 of his celebs to the final. Frankie was likely to be in the final from the start, but Susannah and Kellie weren't. Each celeb who has danced with Kevin has looked like they are having a great time.

I also like his slightly nerdy/geeky manner. He doesn't swan about like a male model, or act like he thinks he's god's gift to women, like one or two former pros I could mention. He seems so normal and down to earth, and without a big ego.

Reading the posts on this thread, a lot of the reasons why I like him, seem to be the same reasons why some people dislike him.

I don't like the expressions during the dances, but ALL the pros seem to do that, and they try to make the celebs do it too. It seems to be a normal part of ballroom/latin dancing unfortunately. (I think it would be better without it.)

I like Joanne a lot too. I don't understand why people are always criticising her for the way she talks. She can't help the voice she happens to have, can she?”

Exactly! WORD my dear! WORD!!

I agree with all that you said.. but i also kind like Kevin's goofy expressions while dancing..like Charleston.. his expressions goes well with his cute personality..

aimeeaimee1000

28-08-2016

Sorry to say Kevin is too cocky and OTT for me he has had contenders since he came on the scene he needs someone not so able this season. Obviously the blue eyed boy and Joanne is not so far behind him either, will wait and see who he gets.

Ann_Dancer

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“Latin I agree isn't the strength but ballroom I completely disagree, if its that bad why is my fave still there? must be doing something right otherwise they wouldn't last 14 series”

Well your favourite would almost certainly not agree with you about Joanne. He needs a partner for some of his pro dances and Joanne (when not dancing with Giovanni) is the very best he could possibly wish for. He also seems to get on well with her, and so I suspect he'd be quite miffed if she was left out of the show.

hansue

28-08-2016

Originally Posted by aimeeaimee1000:
“Sorry to say Kevin is too cocky and OTT for me he has had contenders since he came on the scene he needs someone not so able this season. Obviously the blue eyed boy and Joanne is not so far behind him either, will wait and see who he gets.”

Very much how I feel. I don't hate him but he annoys me. I didn't like his partnership with Kelly Bright last year. Cant put my finger on why, but they both annoyed me.

kaycee

29-08-2016

Well said, particularly the BIB. Kevin is a natural, he doesn't 'put on an act' as some pros - and celebs for that matter - do. He's a great teacher; seems to have an instinct about giving his students choreography that will suit their talents and personality.

He's definitely a terrific dancer, but if some people don't like his style, that's their right. However, I don't understand why disliking someone's style of dance leads to them disliking the person. Nerdy/geeky? I think he'd quite like that description! He isn't in the least cocky or arrogant, though he is cheeky, but never in a nasty way.

Lou_Black

30-08-2016

I don't think anyone actually hates anyone do they?

I have no problem with Kevin as a person. I do find the constant pushing of the Cliftons irritating but that's not Kevin (or Jo or Karen's) fault. I still find the judges' scoring of Kevin and Kellie OTT in last year's final, especially the show dance.

Cadiva

30-08-2016

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Lilia made the final four in her first three series in a row, and you'd better believe the Bennetts were promoted and pushed way more than the other pros were, but I don't remember anywhere near this level of animus towards them.”

Couldn't agree more. Not sure what Kevin's done to justify the outpourings of dislike he's had on this forum (not this thread specifically though just in general).

I like him, he makes me laugh for his unashamed love of what he does and how he brings that joy of dance to his celebrity partners even if, like with Kellie last year, I didn't particularly like their pairing because it was just too much full on all the time.

His partnership with Frankie is one of my favourites of all the series'.

Originally Posted by aggs:
“From what I can remember, which is always a bit iffy , the pros weren't featured so much in the olden days? They weren't at Dancing on Ice levels of invisibility but they were an adjuvant to their celeb-de-l'année not the primary focus?”

In the "olden days" we had actual proper training videos and then just the odd "behind the scenes" vlog style promotions like visiting the pros at home etc.

Chiltons Cane

30-08-2016

I just hope he gets a dud this year

katt

30-08-2016

I dont hate him, I dont like his dance style - far to frantic and over danced (IMO) and I dont like his over reactions every time he gets through to the next show

certainly dont hate him tho

sofakat

30-08-2016

Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“The thing is, though, Bendy, Kevin dances latin as if he's in a professional competition - at least that's how it looks to me. Taking aside the fact that that makes him appear to be over dancing next to a celeb on Strictly, it's also a really unappealing aesthetic - to my eyes at any rate: all guns blazing and accompanied by those exaggerated ticks you see in videos of competition dancing.

I appreciate as a dancer youself you'll have a different perspective on this, but to me competitive latin dancing really isn't very attractive to watch - it's too "mannered" for my taste. The very same dancers performing in show dances can seem more natural and relaxed whilst also having great technique, so I do think it's something to do with what's expected in competition (just as the hair, make-up and costuming can also be over the top and often ghastly).

It's a bit like those singers who have incredible technique but insist on throwing in as many licks and runs and whatever to put it all on show. Other singers might think it's amazing, but when you just want to listen to a nicely expressed song, it amounts to a lot of noise. I might be exaggerating a bit as far as Kevin's concerned, but I do think he needs a dose of 'less is more'.”

What a great post! You put it so well.

I can't even watch him dance any more. He does not understand subtlety at all. All that gurning and rampant desperation. Perhaps the poor chap has small man syndrome? Not wild about the rest of the family either. Why are they still there?

Hate him? Who hates strangers in all seriousness? You'd have to be nuts to think like that.

aggs

30-08-2016

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“What a great post! You put it so well.

I can't even watch him dance any more. He does not understand subtlety at all. All that gurning and rampant desperation. Perhaps the poor chap has small man syndrome? Not wild about the rest of the family either. Why are they still there?

Hate him? Who hates strangers in all seriousness? You'd have to be nuts to think like that.”

Kevin's ... enthusiastic ... knees and Brendan's sticky out bum make the Latin dances for me

StrictlyEastend

30-08-2016

I think Kevin being "Hated" is an over-statement. People are just annoyed that he has had 3 good partners in a row and has been in the final 3 times in a row.

Personally, I like Kevin and it isn't his fault about who he has or will be partnered with.

kaycee

30-08-2016

Originally Posted by StrictlyEastend:
“I think Kevin being "Hated" is an over-statement. People are just annoyed that he has had 3 good partners in a row and has been in the final 3 times in a row.

Personally, I like Kevin and it isn't his fault about who he has or will be partnered with. ”

I hope the idea of Kevin being 'hated' is an over-statement, because hatred is appalling. But if people are annoyed that he has had 3 good partners, shouldn't they be aiming their dislike (or whatever) at those who arrange the partnerships?

As you say, it isn't Kevin's fault who he gets partnered with; the professionals do not get to pick their celebs. Plus, it's not always easy to know who is going to turn out to be good and who is going to be a duffer. I don't think anyone expected Susanna to be good, nor Kellie, but they were. Or - whispering it - could it possibly be that Kevin taught them well?

Katenutzs

30-08-2016

He is just OTT all the time, to much action and grinning and the dances seem to be all about him in the limelight, I hate they way the out takes try to manipulate you to think he is the best.
Cannot stand Karen either. Last year I was sad not voting Jeremy but she really put me off.

as for Anton ... has his own special followers and Brendan ... love him to bits, love his story telling and his dancing style

Guess we all have different likes and need to agree to differ sometimes.

Walter Neff

30-08-2016

I thought that he and Kellie were perfectly matched last year, both, cocky, arrogant, and gurning.

I found it very easy to dislike the pair of them.

dippydancing

30-08-2016

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“What a great post! You put it so well.

I can't even watch him dance any more. He does not understand subtlety at all. All that gurning and rampant desperation. Perhaps the poor chap has small man syndrome? Not wild about the rest of the family either. Why are they still there?

Hate him? Who hates strangers in all seriousness? You'd have to be nuts to think like that.”

But if truth be told, Ian Waite and Karen Hardy were also champion gurners, but that was back in the early days of the show; I think viewing tastes have moved on maybe. Even Brendan's cut back on it.

kittenkong42

30-08-2016

Thank you for capturing my feelings about Kevin completely. Saved me a lot of typing

I totally agree with the singing comparison - I can appreciate a singer with a stupidly wide octave range but it doesn't mean I need to hear every note in a single line! And with Kevin, a dancer may appreciate his great technique but to a non-dancer it just sometimes looks like he's frantically outperforming his celebrity and it's off-putting

SecretLifeoBees

30-08-2016

I don't mind Kevin, it is the irritating and smug Joanne I can't stand.

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