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Giovanni now single
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fridgesoup
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“Without knowing many of the details of the way in which the relationship ended, I'm inclined to reserve judgement on who/who may not have been wise/generous.”

I wasn't making any judgement on what may have happened between them and who is 'at fault'. If Georgia's been hurt, I feel for her, but really don't think twitter is the right platform to lick her wounds.
Huph
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“Without knowing many of the details of the way in which the relationship ended, I'm inclined to reserve judgement on who/who may not have been wise/generous.”

From social media it looks like Georgia is heartbroken which would make people think Giovanni ended it.

I think this is being unfair on Giovanni because none of us know what went on and who ended it, and it really is nobody's business.
aggs
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“Without knowing many of the details of the way in which the relationship ended, I'm inclined to reserve judgement on who/who may not have been wise/generous.”

Does it make a difference really? Surely the test is how you deal with things not whose fault they were? Just because someone isn't being incontinent online doesn't mean they aren't bothered.
MaggieMcGee
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“I bet you he'll run off with his next partner and be the male Kristina”

I think this is an unnecessary comment. I'm not the biggest Kristina fan but she had two relationships with her celeb partners both of which lasted a few years. It's reputed she left Joe because he would not marry and have children with her. She's had a baby with Ben now and from pictures in the tabloid press today they are together and she looks like she adores her baby. The other gossip about her was a fling, or one-night stand depending on what you read, with Vincent Simone.
Christopher D
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“Fully agree.Perhaps the relationship as far as Gio was concerned, had run its course, and he felt it best to sever all ties before the start of this years show, therefore being able to focus 100% on it.”

Yes agree, its not fair on who he gets as a partner to have this hanging over them and remember to that they have nine male pro's so they could shuffle Gio out of it. I can understand Georgia's reaction but she needs to throw herself into her work.
Brian_Grahams
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I wasn't making any judgement on what may have happened between them and who is 'at fault'. If Georgia's been hurt, I feel for her, but really don't think twitter is the right platform to lick her wounds.”

Originally Posted by Huph:
“From social media it looks like Georgia is heartbroken which would make people think Giovanni ended it.

I think this is being unfair on Giovanni because none of know what went on and who ended it, and it really is nobody's business.”

As I have said, people have their own ways of dealing with things and in my opinion it's difficult in that sort of situation to understand what you're doing yourself, let alone understand why other people are doing things. If you believe that she hasn't dealt with it in the correct way, that's fair enough - but my view of the situation leads me to believe that she is perfectly right to express her feelings the way in which she wishes.

Originally Posted by aggs:
“Does it make a difference really? Surely the test is how you deal with things not whose fault they were? Just because someone isn't being incontinent online doesn't mean they aren't bothered.”

But, in my opinion the way in which you deal with things will invariably be greatly dependent on what has happened to you specifically.
aggs
29-08-2016
Not really - if you can't control the situation then you can control how you react to it and sometimes less is more - especially if both parties are hovering round the fringes of public life, of interest to the SoS and with new professional jobs on the horizon.
Brian_Grahams
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Not really - if you can't control the situation then you can control how you react to it and sometimes less is more - especially if both parties are hovering round the fringes of public life, of interest to the SoS and with new professional jobs on the horizon.”

'If you can't control the situation then you can control how you react to it' - that is undoubtedly a fact, but sometimes it's difficult to control your emotions which inevitably impacts on the level of control you have over yourself.

As I have said, my view of the situation means that I think she's perfectly right to express her feeling like this, but I appreciate that may not be your view.
star89
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“I couldn't agree more. Of course couples break up all the time, that's a sad fact of life but the "over sharing" must make it all the harder dealing with the aftermath. Brian and Star, I send you genuinely meant sympathy. I know you both loved following G and G's relationship.”

That is very, very, kind of you, Lou. Your sympathy is much appreciated xx

Such a shame to see them end up like this but I guess that's life
aggs
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“'If you can't control the situation then you can control how you react to it' - that is undoubtedly a fact, but sometimes it's difficult to control your emotions which inevitably impacts on the level of control you have over yourself.

As I have said, my view of the situation means that I think she's perfectly right to express her feeling like this, but I appreciate that may not be your view.”

But is your view of the situation coloured by the way people are acting on social media, even just slightly?

Just remember, if this break up did come as out of the blue as it appears, then what is out on social media need not necessarily give the full picture and - as part of the BBC Saturday night flagship family entertainment programme starting this very week - there may be contractual reasons why Giovanni isn't/can't/won't air dirty laundry on a public platform.
Brian_Grahams
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by star89:
“That is very, very, kind of you, Lou. Your sympathy is much appreciated xx

Such a shame to see them end up like this but I guess that's life ”

Ditto.

Originally Posted by aggs:
“But is your view of the situation coloured by the way people are acting on social media, even just slightly?

Just remember, if this break up did come as out of the blue as it appears, then what is out on social media need not necessarily give the full picture and - as part of the BBC Saturday night flagship family entertainment programme starting this very week - there may be contractual reasons why Giovanni isn't/can't/won't air dirty laundry on a public platform.”

Oh absolutely - my view is coloured by social media much more than ever so slightly!

My view on how it ended is in fact heavily based on what happened on social media in the few days before the split. As you suggest it is admittedly a far from full proof way of gleaning any information, but purely in my opinion there provides enough evidence for me there to explain and understand her actions now. As I say, it's just my opinion - and I fully understand that you don't share it.
aggs
29-08-2016
To be honest, i haven't really got an opinion - I'm not on SM and never particularly 'followed' them anyway so it's more what I've cobbled together - my take really is that - even with the apparent openness of social medial people only share what they want you to know. It's human nature and hasn't changed just because more people can see it. I've said before about a Christmas round robin letter that had me in stitches years ago - because I knew the 'real' rather than 'official' version. Folk are folk and will always try to show themselves in the best light possible.

As for followers - it's a case of caveat emptor really. As long as people don't apportion blame on the basis of a tweet or love on the presence of an emoticon or acknowledge that there is more going on behind an Instagram photo then it's all good.
Gavin_Martin
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by floppers:
“How do you know that exactly? No one can really know what goes on behind closed doors (well, without spy equipment anyway).”

Oh come on they were in love, Georgia had said that on twitter
Brian_Grahams
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“To be honest, i haven't really got an opinion - I'm not on SM and never particularly 'followed' them anyway so it's more what I've cobbled together - my take really is that - even with the apparent openness of social medial people only share what they want you to know. It's human nature and hasn't changed just because more people can see it. I've said before about a Christmas round robin letter that had me in stitches years ago - because I knew the 'real' rather than 'official' version. Folk are folk and will always try to show themselves in the best light possible.

As for followers - it's a case of caveat emptor really. As long as people don't apportion blame on the basis of a tweet or love on the presence of an emoticon or acknowledge that there is more going on behind an Instagram photo then it's all good.”

Yes, I agree.
choucroute
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Giovanni's doing the right thing professionally in keeping a dignified silence on social media now.”

I'm sure the SCD producers and/or BBC have strict PR guidelines in place that would ban any kind of public break-up drama not in line with their own planned narratives.

Georgia's PR situation is different: the break-up gets her upcoming stage work PR and maybe more ticket sales, and she's free to use her social media to present whatever image/narrative she wants.
Ochre
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by choucroute:
“I'm sure the SCD producers and/or BBC have strict PR guidelines in place that would ban any kind of public break-up drama not in line with their own planned narratives.

Georgia's PR situation is different: the break-up gets her upcoming stage work PR and maybe more ticket sales, and she's free to use her social media to present whatever image/narrative she wants.”

Georgia is using her stint on Strictly as a springboard in to a stage career though and with Giovanni having been her professional teacher as well as real life partner it's all very intertwined. People remember them as a partnership, if she's publically negative about him it will sour their memories of them dancing together and will that then lead to increased ticket sales.

I also think she'll burn bridges with people she made friends with on Strictly (who are first and foremost his friends) if she continues to be very public about the breakup and certainly with him if she damages his reputation on the show.

If Georgia wants to maintain her credibility as a serious actress she should spend some time away from social media other than professional posts. It's the second time this has happened within a matter of months.
Ochre
30-08-2016
Nothing unkind or vicious about considering the harm Georgia's social media activity could do to them both professionally.

She has been Giovanni's one celebrity partner on Strictly. Any public implication he hasn't treated her well or distraction from his job on the new series as he's trying to support a new pupil harms him professionally. As does the over investment of fans on Twitter who won't accept a statement from two grown adults they don't know in real life that their relationship has ended.
aggs
30-08-2016
And there was me thinking we had just been having a reasonable discussion on the main forum with different views being exchanged and acknowledged.

There you go. You learn something new everyday.
nina99
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Nothing unkind or vicious about considering the harm Georgia's social media activity could do to them both professionally.

She has been Giovanni's one celebrity partner on Strictly. Any public implication he hasn't treated her well or distraction from his job on the new series as he's trying to support a new pupil harms him professionally. As does the over investment of fans on Twitter who won't accept a statement from two grown adults they don't know in real life that their relationship has ended.”

She's not said anything about him not treating her well merely a couple of short tweets agreeing that she was upset and had hoped the relationship would have continued a bit longer. Seeing that some people were assuming she had ended it and were calling her a tramp just waiting to go on to her next victim I think it wasn't unreasonable for her to infer it wasn't her who ended it. But that's the trouble with social media, you only get half the story and none of us know what really went on. They are probably both feeling a bit upset at the moment but I don't think that Georgia's social media posts have affected the situation. I am sure that once Strictly starts and Georgia starts rehearsing BatT things will settle down and they will both be fine.

Maybe they will get back together again, maybe they won't but as for the fans posts on Twitter, we have discussed this on the App thread and we agree with you that G&G's decision should for the moment be respected. I think our main concern is that they actually talk to each other and don't finish their relationship on a sour note. Yes I know we don't know them but it is not unreasonable for their fans who have followed and supported them over the last year to want them to be happy whether that turns out to be together or apart.
Lou_Black
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by nina99:
“She's not said anything about him not treating her well merely a couple of short tweets agreeing that she was upset and had hoped the relationship would have continued a bit longer. Seeing that some people were assuming she had ended it and were calling her a tramp just waiting to go on to her next victim I think it wasn't unreasonable for her to infer it wasn't her who ended it. But that's the trouble with social media, you only get half the story and none of us know what really went on. They are probably both feeling a bit upset at the moment but I don't think that Georgia's social media posts have affected the situation. I am sure that once Strictly starts and Georgia starts rehearsing BatT things will settle down and they will both be fine.

Maybe they will get back together again, maybe they won't but as for the fans posts on Twitter, we have discussed this on the App thread and we agree with you that G&G's decision should for the moment be respected. I think our main concern is that they actually talk to each other and don't finish their relationship on a sour note. Yes I know we don't know them but it is not unreasonable for their fans who have followed and supported them over the last year to want them to be happy whether that turns out to be together or apart.”

I think it's perfectly reasonable for App thread posters to discuss what has happened (NB - a, I am not assuming my opinion has any weight and b, why change the habits of a lifetime ) For me, it's the taking to Twitter/Instagram and berating either one of the pair of them for what is (or should be) an issue which is entirely between them. From what I have seen, and I haven't studied every tweet in great depth, Giovanni seems to be taking the flak for the ending of the relationship. Given that he is just about to start a new series of Strictly that seems most unfair on him and, as Ochre said, on his new partner. I know this is the gazillionth time anyone has said this but it really is no-one else's business other than their own and taking to social media (with the exception of the App thread for the reasons stated above) by either party or the general public is less than helpful.
aggs
30-08-2016
I wouldn't dream of reading the App thread, let alone post in it so don't know if it's been discussed - but it might be worth people just considering that Giovanni is now under contract to the BBC for the new series and part of that contract might be a clause about social media activity during the show?

I imagine that the Beeb want happy, jolly, wheee so excited, professional posts - not an out and out tit-for-tat bun fight of a war with ex/might be ex/could be ex featuring the Dail Mail sad trombone face.

As I said, I have a nurse friend who avoids all SM like the plague because of the professional standard obligations.
Brian_Grahams
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Nothing unkind or vicious about considering the harm Georgia's social media activity could do to them both professionally.

She has been Giovanni's one celebrity partner on Strictly. Any public implication he hasn't treated her well or distraction from his job on the new series as he's trying to support a new pupil harms him professionally. As does the over investment of fans on Twitter who won't accept a statement from two grown adults they don't know in real life that their relationship has ended.”

Firstly, I'll say that I very, very strongly believe that Georgia would never intentionally do anything to harm someone's professional career. But, I absolutely appreciate that you have not accused Georgia of intentionally harming Gio's career.

What I would say with regards to Georgia's actions on social media are similar to what I've said earlier. Firstly, that my view on how their relationship ended means to me that Georgia's social media activity is understandable. And secondly, I personally don't believe that Georgia has done anything that would harm Gio's reputation, as I don't believe his reputation is dependent at all on a few words or broken heart emojis written on Twitter. But that's just my view, and I appreciate that you may well have a different perception.

Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“I think it's perfectly reasonable for App thread posters to discuss what has happened (NB - a, I am not assuming my opinion has any weight and b, why change the habits of a lifetime ) For me, it's the taking to Twitter/Instagram and berating either one of the pair of them for what is (or should be) an issue which is entirely between them. From what I have seen, and I haven't studied every tweet in great depth, Giovanni seems to be taking the flak for the ending of the relationship. Given that he is just about to start a new series of Strictly that seems most unfair on him and, as Ochre said, on his new partner. I know this is the gazillionth time anyone has said this but it really is no-one else's business other than their own and taking to social media (with the exception of the App thread for the reasons stated above) by either party or the general public is less than helpful.”

My own perception is that both Georgia and Giovanni have received very little flack for their recent split. And from what I can gather both on social media and on the AT, I think they both remain generally popular among their fans.

Perhaps your opinion is coloured by the fact that Giovanni received some criticism on Twitter last night. However, this wasn't in response to the end of the relationship itself, but in response to a Tweet he posted in which he described himself as 'excited' for a 'new journey' - which many people perceived to be insensitive because of his recent break up.
aggs
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“My own perception is that both Georgia and Giovanni have received very little flack for their recent split. And from what I can gather both on social media and on the AT, I think they both remain generally popular among their fans.

Perhaps your opinion is coloured by the fact that Giovanni received some criticism on Twitter last night. However, this wasn't in response to the end of the relationship itself, but in response to a Tweet he posted in which he described himself as 'excited' for a 'new journey' - which many people perceived to be insensitive because of his recent break up.”

Really?
Why, for heavens sake - see to me, this is where it crosses a line.
I assume this was something to do with the new Strictly series?
Poor guy doesn't even have English as his first language but he still has to run everything through a filter just to make sure he doesn't upset or offend people he's never met on behalf of someone else?
Just no.
Brian_Grahams
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Really?
Why, for heavens sake - see to me, this is where it crosses a line.
I assume this was something to do with the new Strictly series?
Poor guy doesn't even have English as his first language but he still has to run everything through a filter just to make sure he doesn't upset or offend people he's never met on behalf of someone else?
Just no.”

But I would've suggested that it is wise at times like this to be very careful about the way in which you word things. I mean if you were in Georgia's situation, two days after breaking up with someone, would you be best pleased to hear that they were excited about a new journey?
It was a careless remark I think.
Gavin_Martin
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brian_Grahams:
“Firstly, I'll say that I very, very strongly believe that Georgia would never intentionally do anything to harm someone's professional career. But, I absolutely appreciate that you have not accused Georgia of intentionally harming Gio's career.

What I would say with regards to Georgia's actions on social media are similar to what I've said earlier. Firstly, that my view on how their relationship ended means to me that Georgia's social media activity is understandable. And secondly, I personally don't believe that Georgia has done anything that would harm Gio's reputation, as I don't believe his reputation is dependent at all on a few words or broken heart emojis written on Twitter. But that's just my view, and I appreciate that you may well have a different perception.



My own perception is that both Georgia and Giovanni have received very little flack for their recent split. And from what I can gather both on social media and on the AT, I think they both remain generally popular among their fans.

Perhaps your opinion is coloured by the fact that Giovanni received some criticism on Twitter last night. However, this wasn't in response to the end of the relationship itself, but in response to a Tweet he posted in which he described himself as 'excited' for a 'new journey' - which many people perceived to be insensitive because of his recent break up.”

I thought in the last few weeks or the last few months their relationship would last but it was not to be , but I guess Giovanni wants to move on and I think he ended the relationship, but if Georgia prove to Sean ward more that she was not having a fring with Giovanni, Georgia may still be with Sean now
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