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She's absolutely correct in what she says. I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to deny her the right to express her offence. You have to be seriously and unreasonably hell-bent on criticising her in order to dismiss her views like that. She is Jewish, and no matter your views on her or Biggins, it was a horrific thing to say.
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It isn't fact. The number was diluted over time - see here: https://socioecohistory.files.wordpr...after_1989.jpg
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The numbers and the narrative have changed over time, as more and more evidence and information has come to light.
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Biggins did make an antisemitic comment. I find your deliberate attempt to downplay the fact that the Holocaust was primarily aimed at wiping out Europe's Jews rather disconcerting.
Any genocides by whoever are bad, there isn't just one people who have been a victim. |
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No one on this thread is denying the HORROR of WWII and Hitler's extermination programmes.
Doing 'off colour' jokes about it all WHEN YOU ARE NOT antisemitic or horrible, was very common in the past - and not meant as anything awful. It was a coping mechanism. Katie wasn't offended at the time, because Biggin's INTENT wasn't awful. She's a stupid and rather pathetic little girl, capitalising on a thoughtless (because now we've got to be really careful) silly remark. She is flakey and deeply dishonourable. I don't believe Biggins, love him or hate him, meant anything terrible. And I don't believe she THINKS that either. It's just publicity for her, and the worst sort of fakey 'moral high groundism'. |
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Whilst I think what Biggins said was tasteless, I think this latest little outburst from Miss Weasel is just a cynical attempt to keep herself current and relevant for all the magazine deals she is hoping will come her way. Funny how she claimed she hadn't a clue about it a few days ago but now reveals she was devastated and had to seek the help of a psychologist ~ seems more likely her only way to stay in the public eye is to have spats with celebrities far more famous than herself aka Cheryl who are absolutely beastly to her!
A case of if that's all you've got, I'm sure. |
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it's amazing how your memory comes back when the Sun are dangling a cheque in front of your face
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No one on this thread is denying the HORROR of WWII and Hitler's extermination programmes.
Doing 'off colour' jokes about it all WHEN YOU ARE NOT antisemitic or horrible, was very common in the past - and not meant as anything awful. It was a coping mechanism. Katie wasn't offended at the time, because Biggin's INTENT wasn't awful. She's a stupid and rather pathetic little girl, capitalising on a thoughtless (because now we've got to be really careful) silly remark. She is flakey and deeply dishonourable. I don't believe Biggins, love him or hate him, meant anything terrible. And I don't believe she THINKS that either. It's just publicity for her, and the worst sort of fakey 'moral high groundism'. Agree. I found her deeply sycophantic and disingenuous, which has now been borne out by her sudden horror and am dram histrionics over Biggins remarks. |
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I confess I didn't like Katie Waisal, never watch the XFactor so had no preconceived ideas about her.
Agree. I found her deeply sycophantic and disingenuous, which has now been borne out by her sudden horror and am dram histrionics over Biggins remarks. She will throw anyone under the bus if she thinks it will serve, no loyalty, no empathy and no integrity, and she's sort of stupid with it. I'm not surprised by her actions since. |
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She's absolutely correct in what she says. I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to deny her the right to express her offence. You have to be seriously and unreasonably hell-bent on criticising her in order to dismiss her viewxs like that. She is Jewish, and no matter your views on her or Biggins, it was a horrific thing to say.
To be as upset as she claims to be, you would have reacted AT THE TIME and been unable to return from the diary room. Having made the decision that you weren't upset enough to prevent your return, you would then refuse to interact in any way with the source of your extreme distress - Biggins. She did neither. This should tell you something. |
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To be as upset as she claims to be, you would have reacted AT THE TIME and been unable to return from the diary room.
Having made the decision that you weren't upset enough to prevent your return, you would then refuse to interact in any way with the source of your extreme distress - Biggins. She did neither. This should tell you something. That tells you something an' all. |
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After she had left the house, she was UNAWARE of why Biggins had left.
That tells you something an' all. |
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As I thought, his comment wasn't "out of the blue". It was connected to what SHE had said. If she hadn't brought up the subject, he wouldn't have made the comment.
I find the constant denial of the other 5 million victims(mostly Slavs) to be offensive. as they don't appear to count. The comment was made on a Monday and he wasn't kicked out until the Friday. You don't hear the Slavs or any of the other groups who were butchered by the Nazis constantly using it to get, sympathy , money etc, etc |
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it's amazing how your memory comes back when the Sun are dangling a cheque in front of your face
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"Inappropriate jokes about the Holocaust aren't antisemetic? I've heard it all now.
To my mind, an anti-semitic joke would be one which mocks or belittles Jewish people. |
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Biggins joke was primarily comparing BB to Nazi executioners : .
![]() I wonder why they got all offended and chucked him out with no pay ?
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Isn't it just and isn't that the general idea
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Katie really is a bit tragic.
She has no integrity and no essential CENTRE to herself. She shifts like the wind to whatever she THINKS might make her look good or something. Weak and emotionally very dishonest. Empty, lost little girl, and sort of dangerous. Just when you see the little silly girl behind the mask and start to feel an itsy bitsy bit of sympathy , she throws a curve ball and you see that intense need for attention at any cost hard core of her . |
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I know . It's heart wrenching .
![]() Very good summation of her indeed . Just when you see the little silly girl behind the mask and start to feel an itsy bitsy bit of sympathy , she throws a curve ball and you see that intense need for attention at any cost hard core of her . |
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I couldn't stand her on The X Factor, but I do think some comments here are way over-the-top.
They weren't told in the house why Biggins was removed. They assumed it was family reasons or something, but she didn't say she hadn't heard his comments, she just hadn't linked them to his departure. We weren't shown the comment Biggins made, Katie telling him about her family connection or her reaction to his comments, so we have no idea how she reacted. Maybe she did see the psychologist, maybe she was having a bad day, maybe BB made her. We don't know. And aside from anything else, Biggins gave his 'exclusive' so she has every right to give her side of the story as well. |
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She is an arsehole.
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Whilst I think what Biggins said was tasteless, I think this latest little outburst from Miss Weasel is just a cynical attempt to keep herself current and relevant for all the magazine deals she is hoping will come her way. Funny how she claimed she hadn't a clue about it a few days ago but now reveals she was devastated and had to seek the help of a psychologist ~ seems more likely her only way to stay in the public eye is to have spats with celebrities far more famous than herself aka Cheryl who are absolutely beastly to her!
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She didn't even know why Biggins had been evicted - see her appearance on This Morning, yet now she's going in all guns blazing? She wholeheartedly threw herself into the Christmas celebrations and was shown eating bacon. Double standards.
Since hate crimes against Jews in the UK are up 93% it's no surprise to see such views as I have read on this thread. 93% of which are just hateful and ignorant. Biggins is a hateful, ignorant and stupid fool. He outed his nasty self within minutes of entering the house. He was removed for his comments about AIDS, gays, bisexuals and the anti Semitic "joke" which was not just off colour and not just tasteless, it was hateful and disgusting. People who excuse such things in the way they have on this thread are the PROBLEM, they certainly aren't the solution. Attack the victim and praise the abuser...some of you must be so proud.
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She's going way OTT claiming that his joke was "anti semitic". It couldn't be construed as that, it was an off colour or inappropriate joke about the Holocaust but the emphasis was more on the Nazis than on Jewish people.
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I think this whole issue as been handled disgracefully by 'Big Brother'.
We've purposely been kept in the dark about this. The 'joke' (not comment) was apparently made. We have heard that Katie had to go to the diary room and seek treatment, that she was in tears. Yet on the this morning show she 1. knew no reason why Biggins would be ejected (suggesting that she didnt think it was a big deal), and 2. The joke wasn't on her mind at all in her recollection of the issue and even felt concerned about what had happened to Biggins. If someone insulted you and brought you to tears you'd not bring that up even slightly when that persons name was mentioned? It seems to me that Biggins offended some bisexuals on the production team and they used a distasteful joke as an excuse to get rid of him no questions asked. The irony of the situation is amazing. For BB and now sadly Katie to use the holocaust in a publicity way is highly offense. Its sad how this world is becoming. If you're a member of a certain group you are bullied to behaving in a certain way, and if you don't then you are partically responsible for all the negative stuff that group gets. Whatever happened to people having opinions and being challenged about them? Why did BB 'cover-up' this incident, yet 2 days later booted him? Did Biggins say another bisexual comment and it suddenly was too much? It seems if you have an opinion and it offends anyone at all then you are likely for the boot. Of course if your opinion happens to be the current one in favour then you'll be pushed forward. What happened to being impartial and letting things play out as it happens!? BB has turned in to a control freak, and sadly this incident shows again how it's mishandled the situation. They should stop trying to cover things up and make them public. Let the public decide if Biggins deserves to be booted out or not. Sadly BB is going downhill.. I'll be surprised if it lasts another couple of seasons. |
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I think this whole issue as been handled disgracefully by 'Big Brother'.
We've purposely been kept in the dark about this. The 'joke' (not comment) was apparently made. We have heard that Katie had to go to the diary room and seek treatment, that she was in tears. Yet on the this morning show she 1. knew no reason why Biggins would be ejected (suggesting that she didnt think it was a big deal), and 2. The joke wasn't on her mind at all in her recollection of the issue and even felt concerned about what had happened to Biggins. If someone insulted you and brought you to tears you'd not bring that up even slightly when that persons name was mentioned? It seems to me that Biggins offended some bisexuals on the production team and they used a distasteful joke as an excuse to get rid of him no questions asked. The irony of the situation is amazing. For BB and now sadly Katie to use the holocaust in a publicity way is highly offense. Its sad how this world is becoming. If you're a member of a certain group you are bullied to behaving in a certain way, and if you don't then you are partically responsible for all the negative stuff that group gets. Whatever happened to people having opinions and being challenged about them? Why did BB 'cover-up' this incident, yet 2 days later booted him? Did Biggins say another bisexual comment and it suddenly was too much? It seems if you have an opinion and it offends anyone at all then you are likely for the boot. Of course if your opinion happens to be the current one in favour then you'll be pushed forward. What happened to being impartial and letting things play out as it happens!? BB has turned in to a control freak, and sadly this incident shows again how it's mishandled the situation. They should stop trying to cover things up and make them public. Let the public decide if Biggins deserves to be booted out or not. Sadly BB is going downhill.. I'll be surprised if it lasts another couple of seasons. And spot on. |
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