I have no idea what that's a reference too. lmao

That's Renee messing up one of her lines from the script they all read from

LOL

I was really stuck just thinking "wtf".

Yes I believe Brian is right and it is Produced reality now! I think that the whole thing was set up for Bear to win and the reason they said Ricky had the highest votes the week before was so that people would vote for him like they did knowing full well Bear was going to win anyway and for the first time I do think it was rigged for Bear to win whatever happened! I even think that the producers encouraged Bear to act like he did but then at times had to tell him to reign it in when he was too OTT!

I'm done with it all!

I have sarcastically mentioned a couple of times about Lewis and Marnie being bad at acting, not that i genuinely belive they had a script in there bad to read at night but i do think their "delivery" of their tale of love was not worth putting on the final edit of the daily show as you can see they was struggling to think up convincing words for us the viewers to get into, which is what they are used to in their own shows.

I think the likes of Brian Belo (play stupid), Dexter Koh (play the nasty nick type but in a smoother way) etc, go into BB with an idea of what creates interest and will "freestyle it" through the show. Some may have even practised scenarios and sayings in case the situation arises. It's just that they were better at it than Marnie was.

Does Brian Belo "play" stupid or is he just stupid?

I think he is more "aware" than he is seen to be on BB. I think some people have seen that in verious interviews. I am sure he was one of the people who came up with the original concept of a show like Towie before Towie started. That is someone who is very aware of that type of industry.

Brian is not stupid.
He created TOWIE .. one of the biggest reality shows in the UK.

I didn't know that. But it does make me dislike him more.

Can anyone explain why anyone needs ''produced'' reality, or whatever?

Genuine question: ....... why not watch drama, ... or soaps? What is the appeal?

Good question. That's what I don't get.

Originally I think reality tv gained traction because people were looking for something other than traditional soaps,it was something new.
Slowly but surely the reality format became more story driven like a soap until we reach the point we're at now.
A soap with an improvised script but heavily story driven just like any other soap.

Er. coz it's more 'real' obs. You're just jell coz u aint reem enuff.



Just kidding I hate all that crap.

Whhaaaattttt???!!

I just learnt Belo's a millionaire. Mind blown.

The Brian TOWIE story in short form.

Created a showreel for a reality show called Totally Essex
Which included some of the now more famous people who went on to be in TOWIE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USX6tKZxK_o

Took the reel to Lime Pictures
They basically stole the format and cast
Sold it to ITV.

Brian then had to fight a long legal battle with ITV/Lime in order to prove it was his creation.
The court case was due to finally be heard on the Monday.
ITV/Lime settle out of court for an undisclosed fee on the Friday before.

Yes, I see your point, but why not employ proper actors to improvise? As other posters have said, reality ''stars'' don't always do so good a job.

(Not trying to be argumentative. I don't really understand.

I came at BB in the first place from the ''fly-on-the-wall'' documentary stance, but that genre has changed too, in many cases)


Edit: LOL at Lee Bo, and WOW at the BBelo story !!!

Thanks, well fair play to the guy. Nice chap from what I remember.

I think it's a bit like wrestling, people want to believe it's real so they do and ignore everything else.

Oh yes. That's a good analogy. (Something just clicked there )

Originally BB in particular had more of a raw feel to it than you'd get from a well polished soap with half decent actors.
That added to the sensation that it was something different and unpredictable.
Even if it was on the whole quite predictable.
Mostly average people out of their comfort zone and being watched 24/7 was quite compelling.
However,now fast forward nearly 20 years and everything has been seen and everyone knows exactly how to act.
So we're back at the stage we were before all this began ... a soap.

I actually think that if they stuck 10 "normal" people in a house, cut-off from the outside, and filmed it it would be compelling again. It wouldn't appeal to the current audience but I think it would appeal to a different one. I also think it would be bigger than it currently is. It has a reputation of just being pure trash and that puts off more people than it attracts.

I think the rot set in when they started putting crazier and crazier people in. That started on C4 and C5 just ramped it up to 11.

Yes, I totally agree.

Even the narrator, (Marcus Bentley?) had a ''serious'' tone, but now sounds more like a sort of circus ringmaster.


Edit: I agree Xuri. I, for one, would find that much more interesting, but the whole BB brand is now tarnished.

What would Orwell have thought about it all!

Oh well.

I can understand HMs wanting to defend the show that made their name. I find it a bit disingenuous though for them to conclude that because things didn't happen in their normal series then they can't be happening in CBB. It's not really comparing like with like. They share a name and a format but they're very different behind the scenes. All those incidents such as people being let out for rehearsals, Mario going to sort out his visa, staff seen in the house during tasks and HMs allowed to write their columns or film their blogs. I don't recall any such thing rumoured about the civvy series. Barring emergencies I trust that normal HMs have to commit to being there 24/7 for an unpredictable number of weeks, hence why you get so few HMs with proper jobs these days.

Celebrity HMs have fees from the show and reputations to think of which gives their agents a chance to demand how they're treated and portrayed. Normal BB may be pretty much What You See Is What You Get except for them pushing agendas such as Helen v Ashleigh or sending Marc in with orders to wind everyone up. I think it best to assume now that CBB is even more agenda-driven than the civvy show. Whether anyone find the results entertaining or not is up to them but let's not kid ourselves it's traditional Reality TV any more.

good actors cost a lot of money, reality stars are cheap as chips

Even the 'only half decent' ones are easily exposed too. That's how a lot of 'pranks' on YT get called out as being fake.