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Old 29-08-2016, 11:19
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Atheists are far more likely to commit crimes than devout Christians.

Source......basic common sense.
Prisons are full of believers .

Not all found 'god' in prison

Many re-offend after finding 'god'

The few studies done on this show believers commit more crimes and justify more crimes because of their faith. Some crimes aren't even considered crimes but are a necessity in the faith.

Religious people commit more murders too. Most gangs are religious for example. The drugs trade is primarily sourced from religious people.....
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:20
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The vast majority of offenders in the UK tick "no religion" on their equalities monitoring form.
http://www.brin.ac.uk/2011/religion-...nd-wales-2010/

That vast 32% right?

The majority are religious.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:22
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Perhaps because radicals attempt to target the dispossessed and marginalised for radicalisation.
One Muslim is in prison for committing fraud against a vulnerable elderly lady. He should have his religious rights taken away in my view, since a genuine belief in God would surely prevent you from targeting vulnerable elderly?
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:23
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Because religion is something the impoverished use to feel better about their lives. Most of the more affluent areas of the world are the least religious.

Kind of proves prayer is bullshit and enlightenment actually means knocking the invisible man on the head.
Regarding the first bit, can you explain that a bit? A lot of wealth in the Middle East where religion is paramount.

I'd like to think that people wouldn't need a religious upbringing to know right from wrong and that certain things are unacceptable.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:27
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Regarding the first bit, can you explain that a bit? A lot of wealth in the Middle East where religion is paramount.

I'd like to think that people wouldn't need a religious upbringing to know right from wrong and that certain things are unacceptable.
Far more poverty in the middle east though. A tiny fraction are uber wealthy.

And they exploit the religion for their own gain anyway, like anyone with money and faith and power tends to. Hence why it should be removed from all aspects of public life to prevent such abuses in the future. But thats another thread.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:33
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Because when you get to prison pretending you've gone all lovely dovey new leaf Christian goes a way to helping in any appeals or parole, and gets you out of your cell for church related activities.

No source but I have that on good authority from someone who works in a prison.
Unfortunately it tends to work, in some cases having a religion gets you out of prison all together.

Cherie Blair 'spared violent criminal from prison because he was religious'


Its a good demonstration of the discrimination none believers face.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:36
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Atheists are far more likely to commit crimes than devout Christians.

Source......basic common sense.
Would the same "reasoning" apply to devout Muslims?
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:36
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Unfortunately it tends to work, in some cases having a religion gets you out of prison all together.

Cherie Blair 'spared violent criminal from prison because he was religious'


Its a good demonstration of the discrimination none believers face.
Yet faith allows many to justify there crimes. I mean Catholicism allows you do as you please as long as you confess. Wheres the responsibility in it all?
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:41
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Yet faith allows many to justify there crimes. I mean Catholicism allows you do as you please as long as you confess. Wheres the responsibility in it all?
Talking of "confession" and the law ....
Recently I heard that Cardinal Theodore McCarrick has opposed a legislative proposal that would require priests to report cases of suspected child abuse said in the confessional. Apparently, he said that he would even tell the priests to disobey the law and that he would even go to jail if need be. I am surprised how many of my Catholic friends are critical of Cardinal McCarrick. Isn't what is said in confession sacred and cannot be revealed by the priest?
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/...ild-abuse.html

I don't know if its the same in the UK, but its shocking that the church (with its long history of abuse) think it can deal with sexual abuse of children "in house".
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:44
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Unfortunately it tends to work, in some cases having a religion gets you out of prison all together.

Cherie Blair 'spared violent criminal from prison because he was religious'


Its a good demonstration of the discrimination none believers face.
And here how it was dealt with.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:45
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Along the same lines, you would think that more atheists would die of life threatening illnesses such as cancer and life threatening injuries caused from car crashes and accidents. The sort of scenarios where I know that Christians pray for their loved ones to be saved and ask their church congregations to pray for. If prayer is that powerful and there is a benevolent God that listens to these prayers you would think there would be noticeable statistical blip in the recovery rates for the loved ones of believers.
lol.. absolutely, youd have thought someone would have noticed this anomaly by now.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:45
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Prisons are full of believers .

Not all found 'god' in prison

Many re-offend after finding 'god'

The few studies done on this show believers commit more crimes and justify more crimes because of their faith. Some crimes aren't even considered crimes but are a necessity in the faith.

Religious people commit more murders too. Most gangs are religious for example. The drugs trade is primarily sourced from religious people.....
These are pretty profound statements. The first two points are provisional on the integrity of their claims in the first place.

The other two you're going to have to expand on because frankly you seem to be drawing a direct link between religious belief and crime.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:46
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Atheists are far more likely to commit crimes than devout Christians.

Source......basic common sense.
Common sense, the rarest element on the planet.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:48
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And here how it was dealt with.
How interesting. I thought that the complaint was rejected and it was not being looked into.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:50
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You would think with the lack of moral fibres that God teaches, they would be responsible for more crimes. However, all you hear about is "Muslim rapes young woman" "paster touched young boys" You almost never hear "Atheist robs bank" "Atheist stabs Yorkshire man" etc..

If I didn't know better, I'd say there was an agenda.
bizarre
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:52
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These are pretty profound statements. The first two points are provisional on the integrity of their claims in the first place.

The other two you're going to have to expand on because frankly you seem to be drawing a direct link between religious belief and crime.
Of course.

Prisons are full of believers. - As per the link I posted earlier, 32% of the population are non religious. Im sure you can do the math.

Not all find god in Prison - Why of course, see above.

Many re-offend after finding god - Have you seen re-offending rates for UK prisons?

Study in the US found those that believe in heaven are more likely to commit crimes. One of only a few such studies.

I would suggest starting on US gangs. MS13, Mafia (various), Bloods, Crips etc. All consider themselves religious. Mexico has serious gang problems as does Brazil. Highly religious countries. Lets not bother mentioning the middle east shall we. It would make it grossly unfair.

If you need links because google doesnt work where you are, just ask. But I am sure you are capable of checking this for yourself.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:52
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Atheists are far more likely to commit crimes than devout Christians.

Source......basic common sense.
I know that you like to defend your religion, but you really need to provide facts before you bash a large group of people to do it.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:55
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It's probably because being in prison is more connected to poverty and race than other things.

And that a large number of minorities are Protestant.

Putting down a religious choice can just mean that is the religion they were raised in. Not that they practice or go to church or mosque.

From my observation a lot of criminals drift away from religion when they are committing crimes and go back to church when they're turning their lives around.

Religion also helps lower crime in communities.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4384046
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:56
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Yet faith allows many to justify there crimes. I mean Catholicism allows you do as you please as long as you confess. Wheres the responsibility in it all?
No, it doesn't.

The concept of divine forgiveness is based on the principle that you are truly sorry for the sin committed. Not sorry you got caught, or sorry it turned around to bite you on the arse. Sorry for the act and it's ramifications, especially on others. It also doesn't mean you'll be spared the legal penalty, if any.

The idea is that God will know if you're truly sorry in your heart, not just walking the walk. I should know we had this drummed into us by our teachers at school.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:57
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I know that you like to defend your religion, but you really need to provide facts before you bash a large group of people to do it.
Fine and when you've finished with Sulla I've got a long list of others here.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:58
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http://www.brin.ac.uk/2011/religion-...nd-wales-2010/

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...-us-prisoners/
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:59
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How interesting. I thought that the complaint was rejected and it was not being looked into.
Clearly what some hoped people would believe.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:59
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I suppose religion doesn't get in the way of thinking.
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Old 29-08-2016, 11:59
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No, it doesn't.

The concept of divine forgiveness is based on the principle that you are truly sorry for the sin committed. Not sorry you got caught, or sorry it turned around to bite you on the arse. Sorry for the act and it's ramifications, especially on others. It also doesn't mean you'll be spared the legal penalty, if any.

The idea is that God will know if you're truly sorry in your heart, not just walking the walk. I should know we had this drummed into us by our teachers at school.
Just an example of how religion allows people to justify their criminal actions. One of many.
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Old 29-08-2016, 12:00
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Fine and when you've finished with Sulla I've got a long list of others here.
Oh no please fz not a L I S T.

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