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Corrie - Are theses lines racist?
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jsmith99
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“....................I don't see it as racist either but then I'm white and this sort of line wouldn't affect me, but to a black person it could be highly insensitive.”

Is there a black FM who'd care to comment? I suspect most of them are sensible enough to see it as a literary reference.

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“How interesting. I would never have drawn a colour reference from that word. Or if I had it would be the sort of archetypal 1970s football skin-head, football-hooligan image - who I would have imagined to be white.

As for ghetto, If I hear that word I connect it with Judaism; medieval and 1930s. Again black and ghetto don't go hand in hand in my mind.”

"Thug" goes back to the 'thuggee' sect in India. What the americans have done with the word is their own business. If we started complaining about their corrupted version of English we'd be on all day.

While 'ghetto' goes back to 16th or 17th century Venice. The word means 'ironworks', and it was to a disused ironworks that Jews were confined during the hours of darkness. Possibly just as well for us, or else it might be called a 'Lincoln'.
Nebworth90
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“Corrie - Are theses lines racist? No, and anyone who sees 'racist' in that needs to get a grip.”

Agreed.
Sylvia
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“Making a cultural reference to a TV show is not racist surely?

I'm surprised that Eva has even heard of Roots though.”

She hadn't, that's why she said it was her mother who said it.
Sylvia
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“How interesting. I would never have drawn a colour reference from that word. Or if I had it would be the sort of archetypal 1970s football skin-head, football-hooligan image - who I would have imagined to be white.

As for ghetto, If I hear that word I connect it with Judaism; medieval and 1930s. Again black and ghetto don't go hand in hand in my mind.”

And in Elvis' song was he not singing about poor white people?
Harlowe
30-08-2016
Media's picked it up http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....blast-11821333

Corrie issued a apology ''We apologise if this dialogue has caused offence.”
Pete Callan
30-08-2016
Pfft...everything's racist these days.

Some people seem to want to be offended even if there is nothing there to be offended about. In this case the woman who drew attention to it is clearly a moron, it was a play on words for goodness sake. A comparison could be the old "you've got more front than Brighton". Those supporting her are just the usual brainwashed idiots with Ofcom on speed dial.

Nope, nothing to see here. As you were, Corrie.
chloeb
30-08-2016
Well i love history and have no idea who the woman is, I'm pretty sure most viewers wouldnt either
albiex
30-08-2016
Originally Posted by jsmith99:
“Is there a black FM who'd care to comment? I suspect most of them are sensible enough to see it as a literary reference.



"Thug" goes back to the 'thuggee' sect in India. What the americans have done with the word is their own business. If we started complaining about their corrupted version of English we'd be on all day.

While 'ghetto' goes back to 16th or 17th century Venice. The word means 'ironworks', and it was to a disused ironworks that Jews were confined during the hours of darkness. Possibly just as well for us, or else it might be called a 'Lincoln'.”

Most of them? Who knows what colour anyone is on here??
Does anyone ever give a thought to the ethnicity of the posters they're reading or replying to? I doubt it.
There is no black, white, brown or sky-blue pink here and there isn't out there in real life either. We're all just people.

And I agree about American 'English'.
CollieWobbles
31-08-2016
FFS how pathetic and stupid can you get? I literally cannot stand these members of the permanently outraged brigade who find faults and things to complain about where there is nothing for bugger all . Like Eva, I'd never heard of Kunte Kinte either, but if it'll thoroughly piss off the detestable PO brigade and get the easily offended tw*ts in a tizz I'm going to use that pun myself a lot now out and about on purpose.
albiex
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“FFS how pathetic and stupid can you get? I literally cannot stand these members of the permanently outraged brigade who find faults and things to complain about where there is nothing for bugger all . Like Eva, I'd never heard of Kunte Kinte either, but if it'll thoroughly piss off the detestable PO brigade and get the easily offended tw*ts in a tizz I'm going to use that pun myself a lot now out and about on purpose.”

I didn't watch Roots but I have heard of KuntaKinte. It was a name we called each other. We had no idea who or what it was, we just liked the sound of it. I suppose it was like 'mate' but more exotic.
ArthurJBear
31-08-2016
I love the Mirror article

"Soap viewers have accused the creators of Coronation Street of being ‘racist’ after a character said her hair resembled ‘Kunta Kinte’."

No she didn't she (or actually her mother) made a play on words based on the name of the Book/Mini-Series and her 'Roots' - It was in no way a reference to Kinte's hair.

Aaron Moffat-Jackman, a trainee vicar from Old Trafford, told the M.E.N: “What it did was trivialise a horrific traumatic time for many people. Particularly at a time when things are ongoing in America, with many black people getting killed by police, by white people. I think it would be very welcome for ITV to apologise.”

Just as the pun-based comment had no direct link to Kinte's race - neither did it have any reference to what is happening in America. Mr Moffat-Jackson need to continue his training if he is inclined blow a non-racist comment out of proportion.

A spokeswoman for ITV said: “We apologise if this dialogue has caused offence.”

Why Corrie? Why? By apologising you are only giving the jumped up idiots who see offence in anything a bigger box to stand on.
davejc64
31-08-2016
It's just a normal day for professional offence takers they have to find offence wherever they can it's their nature.
VoodooChic
31-08-2016
I know of Roots and its characters - I'm not a professional PC offence taker.....buuuuut I do think it was it bad taste - something that maybe was okay in the 80s..... would they have written "Look at my hair!! I don't know how Anne Frank coped in Auschwitz". Or is it okay because it's black people's history??
davejc64
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by VoodooChic:
“I know of Roots and its characters - I'm not a professional PC offence taker.....buuuuut I do think it was it bad taste - something that maybe was okay in the 80s..... would they have written "Look at my hair!! I don't know how Anne Frank coped in Auschwitz". Or is it okay because it's black people's history??”

And what if.........
VoodooChic
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“And what if.........”

what......
Oldnjaded
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by VoodooChic:
“I know of Roots and its characters - I'm not a professional PC offence taker.....buuuuut I do think it was it bad taste - something that maybe was okay in the 80s..... would they have written "Look at my hair!! I don't know how Anne Frank coped in Auschwitz". Or is it okay because it's black people's history??”

Of course they wouldn't have referenced Anne Frank because it would have been a completely random name to pick with no connection to anything. The Roots reference was nothing more than a pun, a simple play on words, based on an epic novel and tv series from long ago.
vald
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by VoodooChic:
“I know of Roots and its characters - I'm not a professional PC offence taker.....buuuuut I do think it was it bad taste - something that maybe was okay in the 80s..... would they have written "Look at my hair!! I don't know how Anne Frank coped in Auschwitz". Or is it okay because it's black people's history??”

Roots was a tribute to Kunta Kinte. A man who refused to forget his name or his history, a history that was passed down by his descendants so that it was never forgotten. I accept that it was a play on words but your comparison doesn't work. It has nothing to do with hair.
Janet43
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“IDK if I find that racist. There was one line a while back that Katy said to Steph, it was something like "I like when you go all ghetto" now that was racist.”

Why? The definition of ghetto is "a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups." Doesn't refer to any race just to minorities which could include people with mental problems, old people, people on very low incomes, even ginger-haired people.

She might just as well have said "slumming it", but I suppose some people will find that racists as well, when actually it's more social or economic..
davejc64
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by VoodooChic:
“what......”

Precisely.
emma daily
31-08-2016
Eva's character is supposed to be a blonde bimbo so the comment is nothing more than an ignorant comment by a child like character. Is it racist? Not at all
mivi
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by ArthurJBear:
“I love the Mirror article

"Soap viewers have accused the creators of Coronation Street of being ‘racist’ after a character said her hair resembled ‘Kunta Kinte’."

No she didn't she (or actually her mother) made a play on words based on the name of the Book/Mini-Series and her 'Roots' - It was in no way a reference to Kinte's hair.

Aaron Moffat-Jackman, a trainee vicar from Old Trafford, told the M.E.N: “What it did was trivialise a horrific traumatic time for many people. Particularly at a time when things are ongoing in America, with many black people getting killed by police, by white people. I think it would be very welcome for ITV to apologise.”

Just as the pun-based comment had no direct link to Kinte's race - neither did it have any reference to what is happening in America. Mr Moffat-Jackson need to continue his training if he is inclined blow a non-racist comment out of proportion.

A spokeswoman for ITV said: “We apologise if this dialogue has caused offence.”

Why Corrie? Why? By apologising you are only giving the jumped up idiots who see offence in anything a bigger box to stand on.”

Aaron Moffat-Jackson sounds humourless and sanctimonious. Hopefully by the time he's finished his priesthood training, his congregation will have taught him some humour and keeping things in proportion.

Apparently over 300 people have complained!
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-itv-eva-price
Foxster Hotpot
31-08-2016
Corrie/ITV apologizing to save face just encourages the view that this qualifies as racism.
masterquan
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by albiex:
“Some people can see racism in anything. They tend to actually be the most racist.”

Possibly the most stupid thing said here
ewoodie
31-08-2016
It's nothing more than poor and insensitive script writing just to get a cheap laugh.

Corrie tried to make an issue of racism when Paul, the fireman was heard to say 'Play the white man.' That didn't work because Corrie are useless at such issues. Except that they couldn't plan and write it convincingly.

Now they have a silly character make a flippant remark which could be construed by some as racist. If anything, it demonstrates how stupid the character and her mother Stella are because it wasn't in the least bit funny. It's clutching at straws and with a desperation to be funny when Corrie have to reference to a character from a TV prog from years ago and that they had to justify it by having Eva say her mother used to say it.

It was a silly, flippant remark made about a character who had the most appalling life just so Corrie could get a cheap laugh.
Alex_Sullivan
31-08-2016
I don't think it's racist so much as implausible. Why would Eva make that particular reference? It's actually quite a clever line but it's more the sort of thing that an older person would say. It's not as though Eva is a character who's known for having a way with words.

I'm starting to sound like a bit of a broken jukebox on this point, but I do wish the writers of 'Coronation Street' would tone down the references to pop music, other TV shows, 'celebs', cultural ephemera etc - Not get rid of this kind of thing completely, but stop shoehorning it into scripts. On this occasion it does fit, but it's coming from the wrong mouth.

(Try using that last sentence out of context and see what kind of looks you get)
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