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Corrie - Are theses lines racist?
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Alex_Sullivan
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Alex_Sullivan:
“I don't think it's racist so much as implausible. Why would Eva make that particular reference? It's actually quite a clever line but it's more the sort of thing that an older person would say. It's not as though Eva is a character who's known for having a way with words.

I'm starting to sound like a bit of a broken jukebox on this point, but I do wish the writers of 'Coronation Street' would tone down the references to pop music, other TV shows, 'celebs', cultural ephemera etc - Not get rid of this kind of thing completely, but stop shoehorning it into scripts. On this occasion it does fit, but it's coming from the wrong mouth.

(Try using that last sentence out of context and see what kind of looks you get)”

Ignore this part, it turns out she was quoting Stella - Would you Adam 'n' Eve it?
Yoshi Fan
31-08-2016
To me, that's the equivalent of saying something like "I've got feet colder than James Nesbitt." or "He's breaking bad so much, even Walter White would be horrified." It was just a cultural reference using a play on words relating to the show.
Oldnjaded
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Foxster Hotpot:
“Corrie/ITV apologizing to save face just encourages the view that this qualifies as racism.”

I'm just surprised they didn't issue the apology/warning before the show aired like they do about everything else to protect the sensitivities of their precious little snowflake viewers.
James_Langan
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by ArthurJBear:
“I love the Mirror article

"Soap viewers have accused the creators of Coronation Street of being ‘racist’ after a character said her hair resembled ‘Kunta Kinte’."

No she didn't she (or actually her mother) made a play on words based on the name of the Book/Mini-Series and her 'Roots' - It was in no way a reference to Kinte's hair.

Aaron Moffat-Jackman, a trainee vicar from Old Trafford, told the M.E.N: “What it did was trivialise a horrific traumatic time for many people. Particularly at a time when things are ongoing in America, with many black people getting killed by police, by white people. I think it would be very welcome for ITV to apologise.”

Just as the pun-based comment had no direct link to Kinte's race - neither did it have any reference to what is happening in America. Mr Moffat-Jackson need to continue his training if he is inclined blow a non-racist comment out of proportion.

A spokeswoman for ITV said: “We apologise if this dialogue has caused offence.”

Why Corrie? Why? By apologising you are only giving the jumped up idiots who see offence in anything a bigger box to stand on.”

Another vicar Billy with nothing to do but hang around the pub all day. I wonder how many pints he'd had when he made that statement. Where do we find such characters. It would be more welcome if ITV apologized for the quality of the story lines of late. I guess the vicar isn't interested in our exposure to horseshit on a daily basis. If there's a lesson or two to be learned here it's one, if you think it could be racist it probably is, and two, all vicars to be banned from pubs so they don't make fools of themselves when being called upon to give an opinion.
Kwazykat61
31-08-2016
We now live in a world of professionally offended
CollieWobbles
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Foxster Hotpot:
“Corrie/ITV apologizing to save face just encourages the view that this qualifies as racism.”

Idiots, they'd have got soot out of a stone before they got an apology out of my gob. If I were Corrie/ITV I'd have told them to sit on it and rotate!
Oldnjaded
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“Another vicar Billy with nothing to do but hang around the pub all day. I wonder how many pints he'd had when he made that statement. Where do we find such characters. It would be more welcome if ITV apologized for the quality of the story lines of late. I guess the vicar isn't interested in our exposure to horseshit on a daily basis. If there's a lesson or two to be learned here it's one, if you think it could be racist it probably is, and two, all vicars to be banned from pubs so they don't make fools of themselves when being called upon to give an opinion.”

I really couldn't disagree more! If you think something 'could' be racist but are apparently not sure and have to discuss it endlessly on social media to establish whether you should think it is or not..............then it almost certainly isn't.
Foxster Hotpot
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“Idiots, they'd have got soot out of a stone before they got an apology out of my gob. If I were Corrie/ITV I'd have told them to sit on it and rotate!”

Agree. I understand why they have done it, its the easy way out but I still wish they hadn't.
An Thropologist
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“And in Elvis' song was he not singing about poor white people?”

I never really paid attention. I know the song but am not an Elvis fan, so its a song that washes over me, without me thinking about the lyrics.

I just read them and all I am getting is a story of extreme poverty in Chicago. I have been to Chicago but still find I don't have any strong cultural references with which to interpret the lyric.

In my opinion racism is a question of intent and not of lexicography.
Mark_Washingto1
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Why? The definition of ghetto is "a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups." Doesn't refer to any race just to minorities which could include people with mental problems, old people, people on very low incomes, even ginger-haired people.

She might just as well have said "slumming it", but I suppose some people will find that racists as well, when actually it's more social or economic..”

Maybe that is the case in the UK but like I said it would be interpreted completely different in the US. Words have different meanings in different countries, just think about it, you all call cigarettes fags and that is a gay slur here or what we consider dinner you guys call tea.
An Thropologist
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Maybe that is the case in the UK but like I said it would be interpreted completely different in the US. Words have different meanings in different countries, just think about it, you all call cigarettes fags and that is a gay slur here or what we consider dinner you guys call tea.”

Well note quite Dinner and tea are different things here too. SImilar time of day but different content I suppose is the distinction. You are right about fags though. Its quite acceptable to smoke them here. In the States I expect that would be a crime and an outrage.
James_Langan
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“I really couldn't disagree more! If you think something 'could' be racist but are apparently not sure and have to discuss it endlessly on social media to establish whether you should think it is or not..............then it almost certainly isn't. ”

When I said think I meant before you say something, If you question yourself that it could be racist it probably is. Does that make sense? Your post has given me food for thought.
CSFAN1999
31-08-2016
Im Black and i didn't find that offensive at all
wordfromthewise
31-08-2016
So damaging when something as 100% non racist as this is given 'airtime' because it gives the 'not racism again' brigade a valid excuse to moan,sound weary and generally discredit ANY discussion or mention of genuine racism.Babies end up being thrown out with the bath water.Hugely damaging.

As has been said anyone who sees racism in this needs to get a grip.

So absolutely non racist is it that it makes me think that something like the shit-stirring Daily Fail have deliberately concocted it to cause a fuss.
M_J2
31-08-2016
By my terms of racist no, Offensive...maybe to some. But what really i did not get is that line does not make sense for character like Eva. It would of sounded like something a character in Eastenders would say.

And while i understand the reason why some people was miffed i have a feeling that the large majority of people on social media that was "complaining" don't watch the show and also media looking to create issues between people....again.
sw2963
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by M_J2:
“By my terms of racist no, Offensive...maybe to some. But what really i did not get is that line does not make sense for character like Eva. It would of sounded like something a character in Eastenders would say.

And while i understand the reason why some people was miffed i have a feeling that the large majority of people on social media that was "complaining" don't watch the show and also media looking to create issues between people....again.”

To be fair Stella was in EE first
albiex
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Maybe that is the case in the UK but like I said it would be interpreted completely different in the US. Words have different meanings in different countries, just think about it, you all call cigarettes fags and that is a gay slur here or what we consider dinner you guys call tea.”

As the programme is made,set and shown mainly in the UK it makes sense to use English words.
The Canadians haven't objected as far as I know but they have very few 'ghetto' ( your interpretation) areas.
Oldnjaded
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“When I said think I meant before you say something, If you question yourself that it could be racist it probably is. Does that make sense? Your post has given me food for thought.”

Sort of, but for me, racism hits you straight in the face - if it's such a tenuous connection that you have to question whether it is or isn't, then that's probably because there was no intent - the crucial factor.

Of course it doesn't help that the definition of racism appears these days to have been very much widened by our now ridiculously overly PC society, to the extent that white people are barely allowed to even mention black people in conversation without being accused, at very least, of 'casual racism'. It's all about intent, and well worth remembering the actual definition of racism :

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

Anybody think any of that relates even remotely to poor dumb Eva's comment?
Paul Wilson
31-08-2016
I mean this is truly ridiculous but, if Ofcom do investigate, they'll see that the joke hinges on the dual use of the word 'Roots.' Investigation over, surely?
Belligerence
31-08-2016
I thought it was a clever line.
notdebbiedingle
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“I thought it was a clever line. ”

Me too & clever the way Eva qualified I with saying, "Haven't a clue what that means it were summat me Mum used to say!!"

Those whole Salon scenes with the three actresses were excellent in both writing & acting for me!!
notdebbiedingle
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by Paul Wilson:
“I mean this is truly ridiculous but, if Ofcom do investigate, they'll see that the joke hinges on the dual use of the word 'Roots.' Investigation over, surely?”

Exactly!!!
16caerhos
31-08-2016
The line had no ties to race, so I don't understand how anyone could be upset by it.

Is simply referencing something that happened to involve a black person racist now, no matter the context? That's absolutely insane and I think people really need to get a grip on reality.
Roger_Peters
31-08-2016
Words fail me regarding this.

The PC brigade are hell bent on destroying society.
Damn them all, Damn them all to hell, as Charlton Heston once said!
Autumn-Dreams
31-08-2016
I wasn't offended as I'm not a politically correct snowflake, but I did think it didn't make sense.
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