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Old 31-08-2016, 19:31
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IDK, what saw in the trailer, the way she acts on SNL and in those State Farm commercials she does come off as a stereotype to me. Now she could be the best actress in the world but its hard for me to take someone seriously who has no problem playing such a negative stereotype.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:31
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The ghettos created in Poland during WW2 weren't racist. There were several - Polish Jews, homosexual men men. the physical and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups that didn't conform to his idea of social norms. They were either in ghettos or murdered.

People forget the original meaning of words and are too quick to shout "racist".

The reference in Corrie was just a play on words with no racist intentions except for those who want to see racism in everything. Normally people just find plays on words funny, clever or make them groan.
But if people are using those words in an offensive way and not in the way like you speak of then it is racist. I can say with almost 100% certainty that if someone uses the word ghetto in the US they aren't referring to a neighborhood full of Jewish people.

I really didn't take offense to what Eva said but I can see how some could be offended by it.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:32
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The ghettos created in Poland during WW2 weren't racist. There were several - Polish Jews, homosexual men men. the physical and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups that didn't conform to his idea of social norms. They were either in ghettos or murdered.

People forget the original meaning of words and are too quick to shout "racist".

The reference in Corrie was just a play on words with no racist intentions except for those who want to see racism in everything. Normally people just find plays on words funny, clever or make them groan.
The ghettos created by the Nazis during ww2 were of course racist
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:34
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LOL I don't know if I can, even if I put my issues with the actress aside I have hated all these remake films they're doing. The worst being the crap fest Micheal Bay turned my favorite childhood cartoon into...The Ninja Turtles
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:41
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But if people are using those words in an offensive way and not in the way like you speak of then it is racist. I can say with almost 100% certainty that if someone uses the word ghetto in the US they aren't referring to a neighborhood full of Jewish people.

I really didn't take offense to what Eva said but I can see how some could be offended by it.
But we're not talking about using words in the US. This is a UK forum talking about words that are used in the UK. We do embrace a lot of Americanisms but reject others such as pants when we mean trousers, purse for handbag, wallet for purse, suspenders for braces ...........
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:48
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But we're not talking about using words in the US. This is a UK forum talking about words that are used in the UK. We do embrace a lot of Americanisms but reject others such as pants when we mean trousers, purse for handbag, wallet for purse, suspenders for braces ...........
I realize that, I brought up the ghetto thing because when Katy said that about Steph I thought it was kind of racist, more so than what Eva said. Scorcha didn't understand why I found that racist so I was pointing it out to her. Trust me I realize that you all don't do everything the same as we do in here.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:49
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The ghettos created by the Nazis during ww2 were of course racist
If you consider homosexual men to be a race, yes.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:56
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The ghettos created in Poland during WW2 weren't racist. There were several - Polish Jews, homosexual men men. the physical and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups that didn't conform to his idea of social norms. They were either in ghettos or murdered.

People forget the original meaning of words and are too quick to shout "racist".

The reference in Corrie was just a play on words with no racist intentions except for those who want to see racism in everything. Normally people just find plays on words funny, clever or make them groan.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:56
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The ghettos created in Poland during WW2 weren't racist. There were several - Polish Jews, homosexual men men. the physical and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups that didn't conform to his idea of social norms. They were either in ghettos or murdered.

People forget the original meaning of words and are too quick to shout "racist".

The reference in Corrie was just a play on words with no racist intentions except for those who want to see racism in everything. Normally people just find plays on words funny, clever or make them groan.
With respect Janet they were racist ramped up to the max. Granted there was a morbid hatred of other groups too but what happened to the Jews was the epitome of racism.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:03
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I'm black, was around when Roots was aired. I watched Mondays episode and I wasn't offended. If anything it will make people watch Roots. Eva's lines weren't a pun about slavery or colour.
That silly girl needs to get a life.
Well that's two black posters who weren't offended, so everyone who isn't black and was offended must think they're wrong and should be.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:05
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With respect Janet they were racist ramped up to the max. Granted there was a morbid hatred of other groups too but what happened to the Jews was the epitome of racism.
They were just the main targets among several others, and racism didn't apply to them all such as the disabled and homosexuals. But then perhaps I'm the one being selective about a thoroughly corrupt regime.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:08
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Absolutely!

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Old 31-08-2016, 20:42
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I honestly wonder if these people on Twitter etc are even personally offended, or just are people who rub their hands in delight at being able to point out something "wrong" and feel glorious and superior for doing so. "Look at me, I caught this error, I am a prime specimen of righteousness". Because otherwise its really hard to explain how anyone could have the time or energy to spend finding and getting worked up about such small perceived injustices when there are so many serious ones that could use those efforts.
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Old 31-08-2016, 21:41
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They were just the main targets among several others, and racism didn't apply to them all such as the disabled and homosexuals. But then perhaps I'm the one being selective about a thoroughly corrupt regime.
Janet the Nazis considered themselves racially superior to the Jews and gay people and the handicapped were seen as subhuman

The Nazi regime was beyond evil and inhumane. Describing it as simply corrupt is a silly frivolous thing to say

Millions of people were murdered because they were seem as subhuman.
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Old 31-08-2016, 21:55
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Now you're really nitpicking on words. Would it sound better if I say thats the definition of racism in the country you live in. What's the the situation with the language police in the country you reside in. They must be kept busy just monitoring this forum.
James, it would sound better if I knew what the heck your point was.

I posted a reminder of the dictionary's definition of the word 'racism' to show how blatantly obvious it is that Eva spoke in total innocence, since intent and context are everything.

Do you agree with that or not, it's not a difficult question? I have honestly no clue why you started wittering on about the definition being the benchmark 'where I live'. I live in the UK where this programme is shown.
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Old 31-08-2016, 22:13
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James, it would sound better if I knew what the heck your point was.

I posted a reminder of the dictionary's definition of the word 'racism' to show how blatantly obvious it is that Eva spoke in total innocence, since intent and context are everything.

Do you agree with that or not, it's not a difficult question? I have honestly no clue why you started wittering on about the definition being the benchmark 'where I live'. I live in the UK where this programme is shown.
It's fairly simple. If what you quoted is the law then what was said on coronation street doesn't rise to the level of racism. I agreed with you. I guess it's different terminology. It's stuff like this that starts wars.
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Old 31-08-2016, 22:27
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Sorry not sorry but this thread is hilarious.
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Old 31-08-2016, 23:02
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Is there a black FM who'd care to comment? I suspect most of them are sensible enough to see it as a literary reference.

Having read through this entire conversation its not actualy worth commenting as most of the posters have their innately racist attitudes in tact...

Perhaps I will instead share my friends comments which I hope will begin to shed light on WHY it is racist and offensive:

My Friend: If a fictional character on Corrie made the so called joke: 'I'm hotter than a Jew in a oven' making reference to the Holocaust that would not be acceptable either.

Online Commentor: I find that offensive;

My Friend: And you should be offended. That's my point. If its not OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of the Jewish people it should not be OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of Black people.
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Old 31-08-2016, 23:27
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Having read through this entire conversation its not actualy worth commenting as most of the posters have their innately racist attitudes in tact...

Perhaps I will instead share my friends comments which I hope will begin to shed light on WHY it is racist and offensive:

My Friend: If a fictional character on Corrie made the so called joke: 'I'm hotter than a Jew in a oven' making reference to the Holocaust that would not be acceptable either.

Online Commentor: I find that offensive;

My Friend: And you should be offended. That's my point. If its not OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of the Jewish people it should not be OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of Black people.
If you're a good friend, you really need to point out to him that there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever between the two analogies.
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Old 31-08-2016, 23:28
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Corrie/ITV apologizing to save face just encourages the view that this qualifies as racism.
It wasn't actually an apology; there really should be a word for what it was.

Not "I'm sorry that I ..... ", but "I'm sorry that you feel .... by what I did". In other words the fault lies with the person upset (in whatever way) , not with the original speaker.

The line had no ties to race, so I don't understand how anyone could be upset by it.

Is simply referencing something that happened to involve a black person racist now, no matter the context? That's absolutely insane and I think people really need to get a grip on reality.
And a purely fictional one at that.

I wouldn't say its racist but totally inappropriate as it came out like the writers couldn't think of anything witty for Eva to say.
Inappropriate? In what way? Does the word even have a meaning these days?
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Old 01-09-2016, 00:27
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I think it's just bad script writing, as if Eva would know of Kunta Kinte to use it in that way. Script writer tried to be funny and it backfired.
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Old 01-09-2016, 00:33
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No, Autumn_Dreams. They are a married couple in their late fifties and try to be something they are not. I worked for them for six years and virtually kept their business afloat for that time but in the end thanks to their lack of business knowledge it went down the pan. I would never have had the courage to put something like a golliwog on FB while working for them. I would have been hauled over the coals, that's for sure.
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Old 01-09-2016, 00:35
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I didn't notice.
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Old 01-09-2016, 02:30
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Having read through this entire conversation its not actualy worth commenting as most of the posters have their innately racist attitudes in tact...

Perhaps I will instead share my friends comments which I hope will begin to shed light on WHY it is racist and offensive:

My Friend: If a fictional character on Corrie made the so called joke: 'I'm hotter than a Jew in a oven' making reference to the Holocaust that would not be acceptable either.

Online Commentor: I find that offensive;

My Friend: And you should be offended. That's my point. If its not OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of the Jewish people it should not be OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of Black people.
You might be able to enlighten me here as it's so long since I watched the series & have never read the book but does the actual word 'roots' have connortations of harm done to black slaves, like you are suggesting with jews and ovens?

If it does fair enough then I missed a point that the complainers were making & it could feasibly be classed as very insensitive or even racist!!
However if it doesn't have those connortations & is merely the title of the book then there is absolutely zero case to answer as it is purely a play on words between a book title & it's main character!!
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Old 01-09-2016, 03:47
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To say you've more roots than Kunta Kinte is - via the line's intention - to say that his were very strong; by association, to say that he was a man of conviction and character. It can also be read as trivialising his (albeit fictional) enslavement by its juxtaposition with something as mundane as hair. In that case it's in bad taste but not directly racist (only by supposition of its writer's beliefs), because it was ostensibly chosen solely for its title's meaning; Kunta mellowed in old age but never stopped dreaming about going home.

I wouldn't say it was racist for two reasons: it's the most famous book/series with ‘roots’ in its title; and I'm sure it'd still've been used had it focused on many other displaced protagonists (except for those from world wars, which is why, in a soap, I'd have avoided it).
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