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Corrie - Are theses lines racist?
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Janet43
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Janet the Nazis considered themselves racially superior to the Jews and gay people and the handicapped were seen as subhuman

The Nazi regime was beyond evil and inhumane. Describing it as simply corrupt is a silly frivolous thing to say

Millions of people were murdered because they were seem as subhuman.”

No, not all were regarded as subhuman - they were murdered because they didn't fit into the German idea of their pure Arian race. They tried experiments to CURE homosexuals and the disabled to try to make them fit into their idea of a pure race. They wouldn't have tried that if they regarded them as subhuman - they would jist have murdered them.

The EU published a resolution in 2005 listing all of the victim groups of the Holocaust - race, ethnic origin, religion, social classification, politics or sexual orientation.
differentdrum
01-09-2016
It is quite worrying that somehow this thread has descended into a discussion of Nazi ideology. Some might say ridiculous. If you really want to discuss the horrors of the Nazi regime then I am sure there are a lot of places more suitable than a soap thread.

The whole thing has been completely overblown which seems to be the norm these days when someone presses the racist button.

The scene in the first place was obviously contrived. Eva didn't need to be in the hairdressers but the scriptwriters wanted her in the same place as Maria. It's the sort of rubbish that is blighting the programme all the time at the moment.

The line itself seemed totally unrealistic and was delivered in a totally unconvincing manner. That is probably why it stood out. It was poor writing, not an attempt to offend anyone.
notdebbiedingle
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by differentdrum:
“It is quite worrying that somehow this thread has descended into a discussion of Nazi ideology. Some might say ridiculous. If you really want to discuss the horrors of the Nazi regime then I am sure there are a lot of places more suitable than a soap thread.

The whole thing has been completely overblown which seems to be the norm these days when someone presses the racist button.

The scene in the first place was obviously contrived. Eva didn't need to be in the hairdressers but the scriptwriters wanted her in the same place as Maria. It's the sort of rubbish that is blighting the programme all the time at the moment.

The line itself seemed totally unrealistic and was delivered in a totally unconvincing manner. That is probably why it stood out. It was poor writing, not an attempt to offend anyone.”

Whilst I agree with you on many occasions of 'contrived' chance meetings, unrealistic coincidences etc, in this particular case the whole situation quite literally was contrived
by Eva because she wanted to 'have a word' with Maria & interfere in her private life, well intentioned as it might have been!!
The comment in question was delivered in a kind of stilted, half embarrassed way together with one of Eva's trademark giggles because she knew & probably realised Maria knew that really there was nothing wrong with her hair & she was there for a different reason!!
The scene worked for me, 'racist' comment & all but obviously not for everyone!!
An Thropologist
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jelakins:
“Having read through this entire conversation its not actualy worth commenting as most of the posters have their innately racist attitudes in tact...

Perhaps I will instead share my friends comments which I hope will begin to shed light on WHY it is racist and offensive:

My Friend: If a fictional character on Corrie made the so called joke: 'I'm hotter than a Jew in a oven' making reference to the Holocaust that would not be acceptable either.

Online Commentor: I find that offensive;

My Friend: And you should be offended. That's my point. If its not OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of the Jewish people it should not be OK to make jokes about the historical suffering of Black people.
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But that wouldn't be a comparable "joke" - remark. Roots refers to the characters origins not the events that the character experienced during the story. Your analogy refers to what happened to the Jews at the hands of their aggressors and not to where they came from according to their own traditions. A better analogy would be to say something like " I am as likely to move as Lot's wife"
jsmith99
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“But that wouldn't be a comparable "joke" - remark. Roots refers to the characters origins not the events that the character experienced during the story. Your analogy refers to what happened to the Jews at the hands of their aggressors and not to where they came from according to their own traditions. A better analogy would be to say something like " I am as likely to move as Lot's wife"”

Strictly speaking, I think the title referred to the links back from the author to when his fictional ancestor was captured and sold into slavery by black Africans. But it's really unimportant : it's just a work of fiction.

Having said that, it's a brilliant work, on how negroes (is it OK to say that?) progressed from being slaves to becoming just the same as any other US citizens. Both the book and the TV series are worth revisiting.

Your analogy doesn't mention the work of fiction containing the story of Lot. Not only that the title must have a meaning which is often used in real life. I'm desperately trying to think of one, but with no success.
Mark_Washingto1
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by jsmith99:
“Strictly speaking, I think the title referred to the links back from the author to when his fictional ancestor was captured and sold into slavery by black Africans. But it's really unimportant : it's just a work of fiction.

Having said that, it's a brilliant work, on how negroes (is it OK to say that?) progressed from being slaves to becoming just the same as any other US citizens. Both the book and the TV series are worth revisiting.

Your analogy doesn't mention the work of fiction containing the story of Lot. Not only that the title must have a meaning which is often used in real life. I'm desperately trying to think of one, but with no success.”

Nope, you need to say black or African American.
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