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aggs
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by sambadan:
“Why do I get a feeling those predicting an early an exit for Louise are basing it on a desire to see Kevin knocked out early?.

Apologies if that is a misreading of the situation ”

I think she could get lost in the mix, more than anything. There seem to be a lot of celebs this year occupying the middle ground. Tied scores, a ho-hum dance and mid leaderboard is dangerous territory.

And I want her to escape the clutches of Evil Wardrobe, obviously
Rebel Hamster
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Joe14:
“I really hope so, and out by Halloween.
I honestly have no idea why they couldn't give Lesley to Kevin. She's a great height for him, he's due an oldie, and she's said that she wanted him.
Why have they given Karen to Will? She's great with duds but I think Will is going to be wasted on her.
I actually want to write a complaint to the producers about how much they ram the Cliftons down our throats and as a viewer, how off-putting it is, but nothing will come out of that.”

I couldn't agree more with your post. I think Lesley should have been with Kevin, he surely can't be in another final! Although I do like Louise.

I can't believe Will is with Karen although glad it isn't Joanne. I don't think Karen's choreography is up to much on the ballroom so hope it doesn't limit his chances.

I felt like writing a complaint letter too about there being too many Cliftons, it's ridiculous! There must be other dancers in the world that can go on the show, surely we don't have start bringing everyone from the same family into it!

Before we know it they will be saying 'welcome to Strictly Clifton Dancing'!
daziechain
02-09-2016
I can't think why they would but the BBC do seem to want to throw the Cliftons at us and they seem quite determined to try and fix it that Kevin anyway, wins. The bias over him last year ... the constant Grimsby features and references ... the allowing of Jo on choreography corner last year for the semi's etc. The way Jo and Karen were allowed and probably encouraged to be so unprofessional up in the Clauditorium during the final. Of course they wanted him to win ... that's natural but it shouldn't have been used to try and influence viewers or on show at all.
I'm thinking that the PTB probably won't be happy until he does win ... he'll not have to suffer a duffer until then.
Toasted Toad
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“I can't think why they would but the BBC do seem to want to throw the Cliftons at us and they seem quite determined to try and fix it that Kevin anyway, wins. The bias over him last year ... the constant Grimsby features and references ... the allowing of Jo on choreography corner last year for the semi's etc. The way Jo and Karen were allowed and probably encouraged to be so unprofessional up in the Clauditorium during the final. Of course they wanted him to win ... that's natural but it shouldn't have been used to try and influence viewers or on show at all.
I'm thinking that the PTB probably won't be happy until he does win ... he'll not have to suffer a duffer until then.”

Credit where it's due - Jo excelled in Choreography Corner.
Midnight Moggy
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Rebel Hamster:
“I couldn't agree more with your post. I think Lesley should have been with Kevin, he surely can't be in another final! Although I do like Louise.

I can't believe Will is with Karen although glad it isn't Joanne. I don't think Karen's choreography is up to much on the ballroom so hope it doesn't limit his chances.

I felt like writing a complaint letter too about there being too many Cliftons, it's ridiculous! There must be other dancers in the world that can go on the show, surely we don't have start bringing everyone from the same family into it!

Before we know it they will be saying 'welcome to Strictly Clifton Dancing'! ”

There are only 3 Cliftons. That means 12 not Cliftons, or 14 if you count the pros who don't have a celebrity.
Mystical123
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Rebel Hamster:
“I felt like writing a complaint letter too about there being too many Cliftons, it's ridiculous! There must be other dancers in the world that can go on the show, surely we don't have start bringing everyone from the same family into it!

Before we know it they will be saying 'welcome to Strictly Clifton Dancing'! ”

Oh good grief, I've heard it all now! Why should they not be on the show if they're good enough (and that will always be a matter of opinion, though Jo's a world champion so not much argument there)?

Basing criticism of a professional dancer purely on the fact they happen to be related to more than one other professional dancer really is scraping the barrel...I really do despair at this forum sometimes!
Mystical123
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“the allowing of Jo on choreography corner last year for the semi's etc.”

"allowing?"

I think you'll find that's called doing her job, what she was paid to do last year. Why shouldn't she comment? They had James on a feature about Ola in the run-up to the final the year she won; they asked Janette about Aljaz every time she was on ITT the year he won...you get my point.


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“The way Jo and Karen were allowed and probably encouraged to be so unprofessional up in the Clauditorium during the final. Of course they wanted him to win ... that's natural but it shouldn't have been used to try and influence viewers or on show at all..”

And that's called having fun and being supportive, which has been done for many years by many pros, and celebs for that matter. They weren't the only ones whooping like crazy or having a good time, and god forbid they actually enjoyed it!

And if you're that easily influenced then you really do have a bit of a problem...


Honestly, the amount of bile being spouted against the Cliftons on here is making me want to vote for each one of them, and I'm certainly not their biggest fan!
Monaogg
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“I can't think why they would but the BBC do seem to want to throw the Cliftons at us and they seem quite determined to try and fix it that Kevin anyway, wins. The bias over him last year ... the constant Grimsby features and references ... the allowing of Jo on choreography corner last year for the semi's etc. The way Jo and Karen were allowed and probably encouraged to be so unprofessional up in the Clauditorium during the final. Of course they wanted him to win ... that's natural but it shouldn't have been used to try and influence viewers or on show at all.
I'm thinking that the PTB probably won't be happy until he does win ... he'll not have to suffer a duffer until then.”

Daft thing is, if he did get a true duffer & got knocked out early, people would probably warm to him more readily.
Firespire
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Rumour has it that Lesley wanted to be paired with Kevin”

The quote from Leslie in a few of the papers is -

"I love Kevin [Clifton]. I’m not saying I’d want to be partnered with him… but I LOVE Kevin!"

So there is still a possibility she may have requested Anton.
MaggieMcGee
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“"allowing?"

I think you'll find that's called doing her job, what she was paid to do last year. Why shouldn't she comment? They had James on a feature about Ola in the run-up to the final the year she won; they asked Janette about Aljaz every time she was on ITT the year he won...you get my point.




And that's called having fun and being supportive, which has been done for many years by many pros, and celebs for that matter. They weren't the only ones whooping like crazy or having a good time, and god forbid they actually enjoyed it!

And if you're that easily influenced then you really do have a bit of a problem...


Honestly, the amount of bile being spouted against the Cliftons on here is making me want to vote for each one of them, and I'm certainly not their biggest fan!”

Yet so many rush to deny they hate Kevin ... It's a strange phenomenon that even Monkseal's opinion cannot quell.
Rebel Hamster
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Oh good grief, I've heard it all now! Why should they not be on the show if they're good enough (and that will always be a matter of opinion, though Jo's a world champion so not much argument there)?

Basing criticism of a professional dancer purely on the fact they happen to be related to more than one other professional dancer really is scraping the barrel...I really do despair at this forum sometimes!”

Blimey, no need to throw your toys out the pram, I'm entitled to my opinion, doesn't mean everyone has to agree.

The way you are talking I wouldn't be surprised if you were related to them!
BeyonceCastle
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by uptowngirl:
“I couldn't sleep last night - raging insomnia until about 5am. So, I started to come up with some of those godawful hashtag team names that people insist on doing every year. I then had a crazy dream about Daisy and Aljaz - she was an utter bitch to him and then could hardly move...

Anyhow:

Daisy and Aljaz - #TeamLowScore
Anastasia and Brendan - #TeamBrendana
Naga and Pasha - #TeamGnasher
Laura and Gio - #TeamLavanni
Louise and Kevin - #TeamCliffNerd
Tameka and Gorka - #TeamTarka
Claudia and AJ - #TeamFragHARD
Lesley and Anton - #TeamWrinkles
Ore and Joanne - #TeamOranne
Rob and Oksana - #TeamROX
Melvin and Janette - #TeamDoomRAAAA
Ed and Katya - #TeamCutYaBalls (best said in a cockney accent)
Will and Karen - #TeamKILL
Danny and Oti - #TeamDOTI *vom*
Greg and Natalie - #TeamNEG”

ooh, that looks like fun
Can I play?
Daisy/Aljaz #Team Dash
Anastacia/Brendan #Team Nasty
Naga and Pash Love your Gnasher teamname
Laura/Gio Team #GimmeMore
Lou and Kev #Team Lovin
Tameka and Gorka #Team Mekka
Claudia and AJ #Team Cloud9
Lesley and Anton #Team Cougar
Ore and Jo #TeamPinkUnicorn (Jo, am looking at you)
Rob and Oksana #TeamBumpnGrindr
Janette and Dr O'Doom Love your DoomRaaa love it!
Ed and Katya #TeamGlitterballs
Will and Karen #Team Wazz
Danny and Oti #Team McMab
Nat and Greg #TeamKanga or TeamRoo (tenuous: ozzie jumper)
BeyonceCastle
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“Here are a few extra bits and bobs about the show that I promised. I'll put them in a spoiler since I wrote far more than I anticipated, so apologies in advance (for anyone who's only interested in the pairings and would like to keep anything else that happens a surprise, feel free to stop reading now!)

Spoiler
The show began at approximately 6.15pm, with lots of time allocated to them sorting out technical thingamys and whatnot beforehand, since Olly Murs' stage was already set up when we arrived. Everyone agreed that the set is a lot smaller in real life, and that the seats are very squashed together. Anton came outside to entertain the audience prior to the show, and also perhaps to distract us from the fact that a casually-dressed Will got in his car and drove off about five minutes before the whole thing was due to begin. Some speculated he was doing a runner. I imagine he just nipped to Tesco.

We were sat about halfway along the block of seats directly opposite the judges, who were only present for the bits that they needed to be present for and backstage the other four hours and 55 minutes. We weren't actually sat anywhere near the people who we queued with, so I suppose your specific number isn't so much as important as the group you enter the studio with (we were in the 100-150 group), as I'm sure those who've attended in previous years can vouch for. We were a few rows up from the front, where the friends and family were sat, including Yvette Cooper, Linda Robson and various spouses of pros (Joanne's boyfriend and Gorka's Scottish fiancee, for example), as well as the likes of Ian Waite who got a shout-out at the start. Kevin spent a lot of time during the breaks chatting with his dad, who was somewhere near the front. To our right, near the band, were the members of the press, including a not-very-smiley Liz Jones. As far as I was aware, there was no Mr Redknapp in attendance.

The first thing to be recorded was Olly's performance, although one of Tess and Claudia's later links would suggest that it'll be one of the last things you see on TV. The pro dancers during this bit were (iirc) Neil & Katya, Kevin & Karen and Gorka & Oksana. Olly also danced with Karen, and didn't look too shabby. It took two and a bit takes to film: the "two" being because we weren't enthusiastic enough the first time around (read: in other words, not enough 'woo'-ing) and the "bit" because Olly began by singing the wrong words, also known as "audio issues". He also apologised for swearing because his mum was in the audience, which I highly doubt you'll see. Oh, and it may just be her heels, but it seemed to me that Olly was shorter than Darcey. Judge Rinder was also shorter than I imagined him to be, if that counts for anything.

They then filmed one of the pro numbers, which was a massive salsa to Conga, featuring all of the professionals plus various dancers from salsa clubs around the country (but none from Watford). All of the returning pros got their own introduction during the routine, plus the lovely six new pros each had their own segment (Oksana's involved her being flipped up onto a table and I'm very surprised that they nailed it in each of the takes). It had fire drums, shirtless bongo players, the works. One of the funniest moments of the night was later on, when Tess and Claud were filming a skit involving long jumper-based wordplay to immediately follow on from this dance. The audience members behind them were asked to give a standing ovation and then sit down when the presenters began speaking, simply for continuity reasons. One poor gentlemen didn't get the last bit of the memo and remained standing throughout the entire link, long after everybody had sat down, obliviously staring into the camera. He was in good spirits about it afterwards, but... well, it's fairly safe to say that it won't make the edit.

Rebecca Ferguson then came on and performed her new single. None of her entourage, including the band and Rebecca herself, knew when the single was coming out. She was joined by (again, iirc) Brendan & Natalie, AJ & Chloe and Aljaz with a partner who I don't believe was Janette, and took two takes to film for technical reasons. It was pleasant.

About two and a half-three hours into the recording, Tess and Claudia came on, welcoming us to the show as if we hadn't already been there for fourteen years at that point (the audience became more content once the air con was switched on and Kit Kats and Haribos were tossed around). Claudia was quipping about her bowel movements, how she hasn't worked in nearly a year, which members of the production team she's shagged at Blackpool, et cetera, Tess... should be thankful for her scriptwriter. She tried, bless her, she tried. They then recorded a few voice-overs and links, the latter type being altered and re-written and recorded so many times that Claudia looked as if she wanted to quit show business by the end of it. Afterwards, they introduced Jay & Aliona, who danced their Jive and were (still) very good at it indeed, even with multiple takes. They then did a short interview, with Jay telling the cast to support one another and Aliona wishing everyone luck and saying that she had a wonderful seven years on Strictly. At one point, the warm-up guy Stuart (who presented about five times the amount that Tess and Claudia did, fyi) made a joke about Jay's hamster falling asleep at the wheel. Whilst we were waiting for the routine to begin, Stuart also asked Melvin's dad if he knew the steps to the dance just in case, and Melvin's dad very nearly volunteered. It was all very lovely.

They then filmed the continuation of the pro dance which began on the red carpet the previous night, and involved several different technical elements like the band having to record a version of Starships to presumably play over the red carpet footage, as well as a by-the-magic-of-television transitioning segment behind a curtain. There was a short break after this, during which activities which I assume are fairly normal during recordings - such as a competition to sit in the judges' chairs, a quiz to win a signed copy of Craig's book and a group sing-a-long to New York, New York - occurred. Roughly fifteen minutes later, they recorded more of the opening number, which involved the judges. They had to get this in one take because of the amount of glitter and confetti let off during the routine, so, y'know, fingers crossed. If you're wondering why the audience looks tired and sweaty during the opening of the show, that's why.

The very nervous celebrities arrived... I'd say three hours and 45 minutes into the recording, filming their introductions without anybody falling down the stairs (from what I can remember, Louise was announced first and Anastacia last. Ed was announced as "former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls", to add insult to injury). Before this, Tess and Claudia rehearsed and filmed their opening bit, which included a slightly-drowned-out-by-applause joke about Claudia's mascara and ended in the aforementioned celeb introductions. The pairings-up were recorded fairly swiftly, with a very quick break in between each one. The last couple paired in each segment had to wait on the stairs for a minute or two until Claudia and her crew were ready to film, which I found quite amusing. Hey, it was five hours in at this point, we were all going slightly crazy. As far as I'm aware, these were all filmed in the order that they'll be aired in, albeit sans VTs.

I don't know how much of the Tess-on-celebrity conversations and Claud Nine sections will make it into the show itself, but there were a lot of fun moments: Will attempting to start #HelpWill and #RescueWill hashtags, Judge Rinder joking that he's "never been this nervous meeting a girl before", Ore demonstrating how he now dances when going to the toilet and pretty much anything involving Tameka (such as her completely messing up shouting the word "conga", which was followed by Ed asking what a conga is), for example. Once everyone was paired up, they quickly went into the final group number (given that it was pushing midnight by this point), which seemed to go off without a hitch and which did indeed close the show. It went by far too quickly for me to properly notice whether anyone was amazing or disastrous or amazingly disastrous, but I'd definitely watch out for Tameka. They all seemed like they were having fun, especially Greg and Natalie, who were going through the routine together a little earlier up in Claud Nine. I reckon they'll be good value as a couple.

Ooh, what else... I've probably forgotten the best parts... well, they brought in a stunt double for Claudia (Winkleman) named Jess, who was filmed back-flipping and somersaulting all over the shop for no apparent reason. We only got context for this when she and Tess actually filmed the skit about a hour later. Claudia also swore a lot more than you'd expect her to, or maybe a lot less, depending on your perception of Claudia. Len got a bit of an 'aww' for it being his last year. Bruno made a joke about the prospect of Ed rumba-ing being "worse than Brexit", which I'm not certain will survive the edit. The pros had a lot of fun mucking around during the pairings-up, especially the blokes. Anton has decided that him and Lesley are making the final this year. All of the celebs came off well (I've mentioned it several times but Tameka received a fantastic audience reception, as did Judge Rinder, Will, Greg, Lesley and Melvin. Anastacia was pretty popular too, but didn't seem to have much faith in herself. Ore was enthusiastic. Claudia seemed slightly shy and Will was terrified, but nerves were clearly going to play a big part and they seemed to have relaxed by the end). As we left, the couples were doing their first interviews on the floor, and press photos etc were being taken. Overall, it was a long, exhausting, hand-hurting, fantastic night and I'm far too lucky that I was able to be there. Hopefully lots of people from here are successful in this year's ballot, because it really is worth it!
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LOVED this. Thanks so much. Looking forward even more to it now.
Ellie1967
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“And I want her to escape the clutches of Evil Wardrobe, obviously ”

It seems Louise has no one to blame but herself for her costumes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...and-Jamie.html

(Although she might find Jamie is embarrassed for a different reason if she ever wears that dress from the trailer shoot on the show )
daziechain
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Credit where it's due - Jo excelled in Choreography Corner.”

Up until she gave a clearly biased account of Kevin and Kellie ... I'd agree with you. But asking her to critique three couples when one of them is her brother was out of order. She could have been objective I suppose ... but she wasn't.
kaycee
03-09-2016
Complaints about there being too many Cliftons? So how long before similar complaints about too many Joneses, there being only 1 less Jones than Clifton......
Monaogg
03-09-2016
My suggestions - much appreciation for previous ones too.

Daisy/Aljaz #Team Dash -
Anastacia/Brendan #Team Nasty -
Naga and Pash #Team Gnasher - Brilliant
Laura/Gio #Team Linguini
Lou and Kev #Team Go round agian.
Tameka and Gorka #Team Tarka - Like this one
Claudia and AJ #Team Cloud9 - Yup
Lesley and Anton #Team Lantern
Ore and Jo #TeamOrje (too risque perhaps)
Rob and Oksana #Team Joker
Janette and Dr O'Doom Love your DoomRaaa love it! Yes this
Ed and Katya #TeamGlitterballs - Got to be this one.
Will and Karen #Team Wike
Danny and Oti #Team Dotti
Nat and Greg #Team Legs or Lowejump
AmSalt12
03-09-2016
Isn't Oti a lot taller than Danny? Hardly a good pairing if she is. Danny is only a 'cute' not tall!!
NicPlays
03-09-2016
Daisy & Aljaz- Team Dallyash
Anastascia & Brendan- Team I'm Outta Love
Naga & Pasha- Team Gnasha
Laura & Giovanni- Team Giora
Louise & Kevin- Team Runner Up
Tameka & Gorka- Team Torka
Claudia & AJ- Team Claj
Lesley & Anton- Team Garrett
Ore & Joanne- Team Jore
Rinder & Oksana- Team Roksana
Melvin & Janette- Team Doom
Ed & Katya- Team Glitterballs
Will & Karen- Team Cliftwill
Danny & Oti- Team Doti
Natalie & Greg- Team Tall
daziechain
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“"allowing?"

I think you'll find that's called doing her job, what she was paid to do last year. Why shouldn't she comment? They had James on a feature about Ola in the run-up to the final the year she won; they asked Janette about Aljaz every time she was on ITT the year he won...you get my point.




And that's called having fun and being supportive, which has been done for many years by many pros, and celebs for that matter. They weren't the only ones whooping like crazy or having a good time, and god forbid they actually enjoyed it!

And if you're that easily influenced then you really do have a bit of a problem...


Honestly, the amount of bile being spouted against the Cliftons on here is making me want to vote for each one of them, and I'm certainly not their biggest fan!”

Jo wasn't the only one to do choreography corner last year so it wasn't her 'job'. People were actually wondering what they were going to use her for after the first few weeks. She actually only did it a few times and people like Natalie and Ian did it too. I just found it wrong that they would ask her at that stage of the competition but she could have won me round by being fair .. she wasn't. That rumba ... as performed by Kellie .. was as 'painting by numbers' as it goes. There were obvious problems and awkward moments but Jo saw none of them.
James and Janette weren't on 'choreography corner' ... they were talking about their other halves at a point where it was balanced out by friends and family members of the other couples also promoting them. They weren't doing a side by side (supposedly impartial) comparison.

I can't see why Karen and Jo had to make such an obvious fuss .. couldn't they have cared less when Kevin was in the final with Frankie then etc? Plus the face on them when the winner was announced!! Plastered on smiles is what they do best ... they could have been more professional about it.
They behaved in a way which makes me question whether we should have romantically or familially linked pros. Maybe that's why we no longer have Trent or Gleb but it was kept in check by others such as Darren & Lilia and Janette & Aljaz ... even Ola & James and if they could/can keep it within bounds then I don't see why the Clifton clan have to be so OTT.
aggs
03-09-2016
I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again , but the whole atmosphere of the final was just wrong last year. It's supposed to be a celebration of the series, with public favourites and judges choices - instead it turned into one bad tempered, grumpy tetchfest.

If nothing else changes this year, but the final can be fun show, that will be fine with me.
AmSalt12
03-09-2016
Ignore my comment I checked Oti is shorter than Danny!!
Mystical123
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by Rebel Hamster:
“Blimey, no need to throw your toys out the pram, I'm entitled to my opinion, doesn't mean everyone has to agree.

The way you are talking I wouldn't be surprised if you were related to them!”

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's usually good manners to have some kind of basis for it, though I suppose logic doesn't come into everyone's thoughts.

I'm certainly not related to them, in fact Kevin is one of my least favourite pros and there's a lot about Karen and Jo that I find extremely irritating, but what I find even more irritating is the ridiculous notion that somehow because they're all related at least one of them should be kicked off the show! I've not yet read a single logical reason for that to be true, and you and others seem content to write drivel about them rather than making any attempt to justify your argument.
Gill P
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by NicPlays:
“Daisy & Aljaz- Team Dallyash
Anastascia & Brendan- Team I'm Outta Love
Naga & Pasha- Team Gnasha
Laura & Giovanni- Team Giora
Louise & Kevin- Team Runner Up
Tameka & Gorka- Team Torka
Claudia & AJ- Team Claj
Lesley & Anton- Team Garrett
Ore & Joanne- Team Jore
Rinder & Oksana- Team Roksana
Melvin & Janette- Team Doom
Ed & Katya- Team Glitterballs
Will & Karen- Team Cliftwill
Danny & Oti- Team Doti
Natalie & Greg- Team Tall”

The BIB made me chuckle!
DeiseDays
03-09-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again , but the whole atmosphere of the final was just wrong last year. It's supposed to be a celebration of the series, with public favourites and judges choices - instead it turned into one bad tempered, grumpy tetchfest.

If nothing else changes this year, but the final can be fun show, that will be fine with me.”

I'll be happy if most of the celebs manage at least one standout dance according to their ability.

I'll be delighted if Craig has learned to deliver constructive criticism without telling anyone they are "dead behind the eyes".

And if I'm sitting on my sofa on 17th December with a big grin on my face because I've just witnessed a glorious SCD final celebration that was devoid of overmarking to create the illusion of "balance", then that will be a miracle.



Belated thanks to Stig for excellent mole duties, including an awesome report, and to Monaogg for thread management
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