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Old 22-10-2016, 18:21
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thats exactly what i thought. how can anyone watch other peoples misery like that? its sickening.
its opened my eyes, it's a mirror on a anti-social strata of society who have little respect for themselves, or others.

can we not have a system where a benefit claimant has their rent paid from source rather than trusting the claimant to pay rent rather than updating their mobile or buying a curved tv ?
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Old 22-10-2016, 18:25
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its opened my eyes, it's a mirror on a anti-social strata of society who have little respect for themselves, or others.

can we not have a system where a benefit claimant has their rent paid from source rather than trusting the claimant to pay rent rather than updating their mobile or buying a curved tv ?



We did have rent being paid direct to the landlord before the coalition government changed it and paid rent direct to tenants another coalition gaffe IMO.
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Old 22-10-2016, 19:02
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its opened my eyes, it's a mirror on a anti-social strata of society who have little respect for themselves, or others.

can we not have a system where a benefit claimant has their rent paid from source rather than trusting the claimant to pay rent rather than updating their mobile or buying a curved tv ?
Blame the Tories and the 'We pay tax' moaners.

Rent used to be paid to the landlord but Universal Credit is changing that, and people on benefits are being paid monthly rather than fortnightly, so they'll have even more money to NOT pay to the landlord (which is what the Tories want).
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Old 22-10-2016, 19:06
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Blame the Tories and the 'We pay tax' moaners.

Rent used to be paid to the landlord but Universal Credit is changing that, and people on benefits are being paid monthly rather than fortnightly, so they'll have even more money to NOT pay to the landlord (which is what the Tories want).
Yep, Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne left one hell of a legacy to landlords and honest Benefit claimants.
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Old 22-10-2016, 19:18
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I felt sorry for the daughter kicked out by the fathers partner, after he died
Wonder what the story was behind that?
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:53
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Blame the Tories and the 'We pay tax' moaners.

Rent used to be paid to the landlord but Universal Credit is changing that, and people on benefits are being paid monthly rather than fortnightly, so they'll have even more money to NOT pay to the landlord (which is what the Tories want).
shouldnt people, even benefits claimants, have some responsibility in their lives? handing over the rent personally, instead of it being blindly sorted by someone else can help people to think about their lives and their income. yes, some will fail but it seems to work ok for most doesnt it?
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:07
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shouldnt people, even benefits claimants, have some responsibility in their lives? handing over the rent personally, instead of it being blindly sorted by someone else can help people to think about their lives and their income. yes, some will fail but it seems to work ok for most doesnt it?
It's got nothing to do with responsibility.

It was just way easier to pay the money straight to the landlord. No its got to go into one account and then paid into another.

Hypocritical of the government who believe in being efficient.
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Old 23-10-2016, 09:28
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Blame the Tories and the 'We pay tax' moaners.

Rent used to be paid to the landlord but Universal Credit is changing that, and people on benefits are being paid monthly rather than fortnightly, so they'll have even more money to NOT pay to the landlord (which is what the Tories want).
It is still possible to request that HB or the housing element of UC is paid direct to the landlord if you have a good reason.

The idea of encouraging people to manage their money better by giving them all the benefits is a good one in principle but does not help some people aprticualt=rly those with multiple debts.
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Old 23-10-2016, 09:37
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It's got nothing to do with responsibility.

It was just way easier to pay the money straight to the landlord. No its got to go into one account and then paid into another.

Hypocritical of the government who believe in being efficient.
How is it easier and more efficient for the government to pay a person's benefits to multiple accounts?

The idea had everything to do with encouraging financial responsibility and in principle was a good one, It's not uncommon for people to say that they don't receive housing benefit because it's paid direct to their landlord and they have forgotten they ever claimed it. Paying housing benefit to the claimant works fine for some people but unfortunately not for everybody.
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Old 23-10-2016, 09:41
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just watched the "Big Family" special edition of "Can't Pay". Have to say that the response from the Harringey emergency housing team was awful. Making the evicted mother go to Tottenham Police Station so that the police could verify the warrant was ridiculous.
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Old 23-10-2016, 13:36
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Am I the only on who thinks the title doesn't make any sense? Surely it's one of ...

Can't Pay And We'll ....
Pay Or We'll .....

Not important I'm sure but it's really started to bug me lately!
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Old 23-10-2016, 15:09
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I felt sorry for the daughter kicked out by the fathers partner, after he died
Wonder what the story was behind that?
Probably a big legal tangle. If lawyers are involved it'll take eons to sort out!
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Old 23-10-2016, 16:10
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Am I the only on who thinks the title doesn't make any sense? Surely it's one of ...

Can't Pay And We'll ....
Pay Or We'll .....

Not important I'm sure but it's really started to bug me lately!
The title is "Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away" as in "if you can't pay then we will take it away."

The thread title is wrong.
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Old 23-10-2016, 16:36
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Am I the only on who thinks the title doesn't make any sense? Surely it's one of ...

Can't Pay And We'll ....
Pay Or We'll .....

Not important I'm sure but it's really started to bug me lately!
Me too. If there's a moderator for this forum can they please change the heading?
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Old 23-10-2016, 16:37
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I wonder if there are any female high court enforcers? I was thinking a woman might be able to defuse a situation better than the rather large, menacing gentlemen we see in this show! Also the police might be more ready to make an appearance if they were called. Often they've just not shown up when they've been contacted.
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Old 23-10-2016, 20:06
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I know a business who had a high court debt officer come around. The business had no idea of the debt. Once they were informed of it, they paid it off direct to the company they owed. They then discovered out that now that they've paid of the debt, they didn't have to pay the high court fees. Apparently, the guy come around a few times to attemp to collect his fees and attempted to sieze goods, the business owners said no and the guy gave up after a few times.
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Old 23-10-2016, 22:50
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I wonder if there are any female high court enforcers? I was thinking a woman might be able to defuse a situation better than the rather large, menacing gentlemen we see in this show! Also the police might be more ready to make an appearance if they were called. Often they've just not shown up when they've been contacted.
There is one visited a neighbour only last week, the neighbour was quite abusive which was uncalled for as all he had to do was prove he wasn't the former tenant.
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Old 23-10-2016, 23:56
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I assume the debtors give permission for themselves to be broadcast?
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Old 24-10-2016, 12:58
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I wonder if there are any female high court enforcers? I was thinking a woman might be able to defuse a situation better than the rather large, menacing gentlemen we see in this show! Also the police might be more ready to make an appearance if they were called. Often they've just not shown up when they've been contacted.
There used to be one on the programme on BBC1.
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Old 24-10-2016, 12:59
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I assume the debtors give permission for themselves to be broadcast?
This question has been asked and endlessly speculated on here. The law is very complicated and seems the Police get away with it so perhaps HCE can as well.
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Old 25-10-2016, 12:14
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There used to be one on the programme on BBC1.
They were even more aggressive than the men
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Old 25-10-2016, 13:33
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They were even more aggressive than the men
I missed those! Must have been a while ago now.
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Old 25-10-2016, 13:43
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I assume the debtors give permission for themselves to be broadcast?
I do wonder if there's a loophole regarding permission when they use footage from their gopro cameras instead of the 'real' camera.

But I imagine what likely happens is that they'll turn up somewhere and tell the camera crew to hang back then they'll tell the debtor they're being followed by a camera crew for television and ask them if they consent to being filmed.

Maybe the gopro footage is essentially 'owned' by the company who then licence it to C5?
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Old 25-10-2016, 14:30
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Watched last nights and that Brian really is a piece of work.
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Old 25-10-2016, 21:00
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I wonder if there are any female high court enforcers? I was thinkin g a woman might be able to defuse a situation better than the rather large, menacing gentlemen we see in this show! Also the police might be more ready to make an appearance if they were called. Often they've just not shown up when they've been contacted.
The police can take ages to turn up as there are frequently none available (after all, it's not an emergency) and they don't get priority (and rightly so) any more than a member of the he public who calls a non emergency.

Reminds me of the story of the man who saw someone breaking into his shed one night, called police to be told no one available to attend. Rings police back couple of minutes later and tells them not to bother attending as he's got his shotgun out and sorted it himself.

Within minutes, police are there.
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