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Can't Pay or We'll take it away (Series 4 Part 2) |
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Yes to be fair I bought my first house in 1994 for £27000 my mortgage was £80 a month. The £225 mortgage was my third house for which I paid £109000 but even so rent in that road are now £875 plus and the houses either side of my old one are owned by same people and I bet the rents have gone up, the cost of renting is just stupid,now ) I'm fine now personally I have no mortgage at all) but did feel sorry for people who CANT pay and get kicked out by bailiffs rent control is deff required
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What's with the close up shots of McCrackens head?! *puke*
Like more and more a Ricky Gervais character every day. |
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One thing I don't understand, but there's probably a very simple explanation.
Last night the suspected debtor asked how the bailiffs know who the car (Mercedes) belongs to. They told him they had proof - as according to the DVLA it was him (the suspected debtor) However in the past when bailiffs ask debtors to prove who a particular car belongs to, they (suspected debtor) produce the log book from the DVLA. This is always refused as proof of ownership, sometimes without even giving it a glance. So which is it? How come it's okay for the bailiffs to use the DVLA as proof of ownership, but not the other way around? The DVLA only knows who the registered keeper is. That's the same for whoever is asking.
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One thing I don't understand, but there's probably a very simple explanation.
Last night the suspected debtor asked how the bailiffs know who the car (Mercedes) belongs to. They told him they had proof - as according to the DVLA it was him (the suspected debtor) However in the past when bailiffs ask debtors to prove who a particular car belongs to, they (suspected debtor) produce the log book from the DVLA. This is always refused as proof of ownership, sometimes without even giving it a glance. So which is it? How come it's okay for the bailiffs to use the DVLA as proof of ownership, but not the other way around? The DVLA only knows who the registered keeper is. That's the same for whoever is asking. |
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so, how can you prove you are the owner [ rather than just the keeper ] of a vehicle ?
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& how do you sell a car with no docs or keys?
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so, how can you prove you are the owner [ rather than just the keeper ] of a vehicle ?
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Exact same thought occurred to me. Double standards. The burden of proof is somewhat flexible when it suits them.
I wonder how they can remove a car from a public road with just 'proof' from the DVLA that it belongs and is owned by a certain person - yet the same evidence in reverse is refused point blank as meaningless. |
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Seems to be (as you say) a case of double standards.
I wonder how they can remove a car from a public road with just 'proof' from the DVLA that it belongs and is owned by a certain person - yet the same evidence in reverse is refused point blank as meaningless. |
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Seems to be (as you say) a case of double standards.
I wonder how they can remove a car from a public road with just 'proof' from the DVLA that it belongs and is owned by a certain person - yet the same evidence in reverse is refused point blank as meaningless. |
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Because the onus is on the debtor to prove the vehicle isn't there's, not the other way round.
How can a debtor prove that a car sitting outside doesn't belong to him? What's to stop them relocating any car that happens to be parked outside the debtor's house? |
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in every episode Ive seen the high end cars removed have been reclaimed by the debtor anyway, but it is an interesting point of mootness.
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But surely it's against the law to put a car on the back of a low loader and remove it without any proof whatsoever that the car belongs to the debtor. In the last episode they did not even ask the debtor to prove anything - just that they were going to remove the car as according to the DVLA it belonged to him (which we know is proof of nothing)
How can a debtor prove that a car sitting outside doesn't belong to him? What's to stop them relocating any car that happens to be parked outside the debtor's house? They have never just taken any car, they would need to be reasonably sure that it was there's. The fact the DVLA have it registered in his name is enough to prove it's not just a random car parked outside his house. |
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Like i've already said you prove it with a receipt like you prove ownership of any item. The bailiffs have reasonable belief that the car belongs to him so if it doesn't it's up to him to prove otherwise.
They have never just taken any car, they would need to be reasonably sure that it was there's. The fact the DVLA have it registered in his name is enough to prove it's not just a random car parked outside his house. Seems a strange situation, but as I know very little about this I'll just have to accept what you are saying.
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& how do you sell a car with no docs or keys?
There will be plenty of motor traders there for whom the lack of keys and/or documents will only be a very small problem. However, it does involve extra work and costs so they will factor-in how much this will cost them when considering how much to bid for a particular vehicle. |
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Wreck the house. Don't pay the rent and then have the cheek to slag off the landlord.
As someone who has been on the receiving end off this. It pisses me off. Not all landlords are millionaires. We only rented ours out because I was made redundant ant we had to wither spend the redundancy money on a mortgage or rent out and live with parents whilst I found another job. |
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It's awful Gordon. That landlord probably had to pay 5 + grand to get house renovated.
On a positive note, I'm happy to see Elmore/Victor as he's my favourite. More close ups of McCracken this week. When he said it was like Christmas to see cars on the drive! |
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Stewart and the South African(?) bloke over-do their parts IMO. All these "how can you not pay for *insert length of time*?!" and "how can people live this way?!" type comments are for the audience to possibly make, not them. I'm interested to see how they go about doing their job, not what they think of each individual case, or how appalled they are by a pile of clothes on the floor.
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It's awful Gordon. That landlord probably had to pay 5 + grand to get house renovated.
On a positive note, I'm happy to see Elmore/Victor as he's my favourite. More close ups of McCracken this week. When he said it was like Christmas to see cars on the drive! |
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This week's episode wasn't 'new' at all, another 'special' which is an excuse to cobble together old stuff that's been shown before.
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Stewart and the South African(?) bloke over-do their parts IMO. All these "how can you not pay for *insert length of time*?!" and "how can people live this way?!" type comments are for the audience to possibly make, not them. I'm interested to see how they go about doing their job, not what they think of each individual case, or how appalled they are by a pile of clothes on the floor.
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This week's episode wasn't 'new' at all, another 'special' which is an excuse to cobble together old stuff that's been shown before.
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I don't think McCracken should be coming out with lines such as 'It's like Christmas when we see cars on the drive'. Nothing like sounding so arrogant about taking peoples belongings.
I can understand why people get into debt, and I understand the purpose of bailiffs but McCracken and the South African bring on every bit of grief themselves with their attitude. I really hope they're an exception and most other bailiffs possess some compassion and common sense. |
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This week's episode wasn't 'new' at all, another 'special' which is an excuse to cobble together old stuff that's been shown before.
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Yes, only two new stories this week (last week too) The rest we have seen before. An old trick for Channel 5. They do similar with their Nightmare Neighbours programme.
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The DVLA only knows who the registered keeper is. That's the same for whoever is asking.