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Do you think Corrie could be axed?
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Mark_Washingto1
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“That sounds much more directly racist and shocking though. There's s nothing derogatory about the word Roots or the reference to the TV series or book is there? It was an odd reference, given how long ago the series aired ( although Eva claimed to have grown up with it) and it did give me pause for thought, but tbh I could imagine it being the sort of thing people WOULD say. I hear or read offensive remarks about Scots all the time in the media. It's s annoying but you don't call for the entire programme to be banned.”

The word Roots in and of itself isn't racist at all. I think people felt interpreted to mean that Eva was comparing her hair to a slave's hair. That might not have been the writers intent with that line but that is how some interpreted it to mean. Which is why it should have been avoided in the first place. I do agree that the show shouldn't be canceled for it, the apology was enough.
James_Langan
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“The vast majority of this forum find her boring, the only reason I'm on my own with this is cos I'm not in any forum clique, and tbh I wouldn't wanna be!

My posts are wearing thin just cos you can't accept I have a different opinion to you? Really tho?

Can I do ANYTHING right on here FFS?!

I get shit on for loving Kylie (which still happens) and now I get shit on for finding Maria boring, and what, am expected to just sit back and let ppl take the piss out of me who don't even know who I am?

All I'm known for on here is being mocked for loving Kylie, how sad is that? Nearly every user on here has made a jibe about my love of the character, and it's actually getting pathetic!

Sometimes I don't even know why I bothered joining this forum tbh. Someone told me it was good but I dunno anymore! I think it's just addictive

Notdebbiedingle are you obsessed with Maria? (No offence I'm just asking)”

You're in attack mode again today. There is no right or wrong on this forum except the right and wrong frame of mind. You have to differentiate between legitimate opinions and fun remarks from personal and sarcastic swipes at you. But you have to write your views with the above mentioned in mind. The acting career you hope to pursue will have critics who won't be as humane as the ones on the forum. Their job is to eat you up and spit you out. Why don't you use the forum to learn how to handle criticism instead resorting to accusations of everyone being against you. Your posts were starting to settle in nicely and were getting mature as they became more frequent but are now beginning to get erratic with a hint of vindictiveness at anyone who has an opposite view. This gives the appearence all is not well. If you want to get mad at me feel free. It doesn't bother me. I, unlike you have more mileage on me than a steel belted radial.
albiex
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“I started watching it the same time as you. I enjoyed the Des Barnes stuff and even fancied him! i didn't like Elsie Tanner either, I loved Annie Walker though ”

The character of Annie Walker was so out of place in a back street pub that she was brilliant! No doubt due to Doris Speed.
Glendarroch
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“The word Roots in and of itself isn't racist at all. I think people felt interpreted to mean that Eva was comparing her hair to a slave's hair..”

Really? I never got that meaning at all! I don't t remember the TV series - I was very young when it came out, - and it's s many years since I read the book, but I thought people would get the gist f the title. Saying, that Eva probably thought it really was a phrase about hair, not that it was a play on words
SULLA
02-09-2016
There was no racism and they are not going to scrap the number one show.
Mark_Washingto1
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“Really? I never got that meaning at all! I don't t remember the TV series - I was very young when it came out, - and it's s many years since I read the book, but I thought people would get the gist f the title. Saying, that Eva probably thought it really was a phrase about hair, not that it was a play on words”

Yeah but people interpret things differently and I can see how some could come to that conclusion.
Cool_mate
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“You're in attack mode again today. There is no right or wrong on this forum except the right and wrong frame of mind. You have to differentiate between legitimate opinions and fun remarks from personal and sarcastic swipes at you. But you have to write your views with the above mentioned in mind. The acting career you hope to pursue will have critics who won't be as humane as the ones on the forum. Their job is to eat you up and spit you out. Why don't you use the forum to learn how to handle criticism instead resorting to accusations of everyone being against you. Your posts were starting to settle in nicely and were getting mature as they became more frequent but are now beginning to get erratic with a hint of vindictiveness at anyone who has an opposite view. This gives the appearence all is not well. If you want to get mad at me feel free. It doesn't bother me. I, unlike you have more mileage on me than a steel belted radial.”

James have you not seen some of the posts directed to me about Kylie?

I can't believe how childishly pathetic some of the comments actually are. Some verge on cyberbullying. Some are personal as **** and now you say I'm getting bitter? For defending myself really? I am a very feisty person, obviously I'm gonna kick off. So what that it's a stranger, do you really think I'm gonna let someone slag me off? No ****ing chance!

Even when I don't mention Kylie ppl continue to treat me like shit and make jibes about me and her! That's all I'm known for on here- cool mate the Kylie platt lover! Aka: let's take the piss out of him! I've never seen anyone take the piss out of someone else who loves a soap character, it's just me who gets it

You know what makes it even worse? I have said loads of times that I'm sick of it, yet ppl are STILL doing it! Do they not have a proper life? It's bordering on obsessive now
albiex
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“Really? I never got that meaning at all! I don't t remember the TV series - I was very young when it came out, - and it's s many years since I read the book, but I thought people would get the gist f the title. Saying, that Eva probably thought it really was a phrase about hair, not that it was a play on words”

I can vaguely remember it but I didn't watch it. I thought Eva would mean hair too. Even if she didn't no way could it have been interpreted as racism.
Cool_mate
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“Haha!! I'm going to let the obsessed comment go clean over my head as it's so ironic it's laughable!!
Firstly I think if you look back through your many posts/threads about Kylie you will find me in agreenent with you in most cases!! She was a great character played by a wonderful actress & she is, and will be missed on the show!!
My reply to your post & the reason why I'm finding your posts wearing very thin is your frankly ludicrous claims that the show is falling apart because your new favourite character has 'disappeared' for all of a week (a character who at best is Marmite to most of us at the moment) and that a character who has had next to no action for the last three years is the show's 'new leading lady' simply on the evidence that she's actually got a decent storyline for once!!
I accept you don't find her acting great, I do, so there is no way I wasn't going to pull you up on that, I'm sorry if you can't take criticism of your opinion but again that is part of debating on a forum!!
I have no wish to fall out with you on this as, like I say until recently I have always found your posts entertaining & amusing (meant in the nicest possible way as someone who gets a bit of gentle piss taking for being the forums biggest Maria fan sometimes too) but as I say if you are going to come up with such ludicrous statements you can't expect people not to react strongly!!
Finally regarding cliques, I gurantee you as a Maria Connor fan you are always going to be outside of the forum cliques so I don't think that one applies to me either!! ”

I used to drool at the mouth whenever Kylie came on screen, she's sexy! Me and Multimedia swapped reasons the other day why we loved her so much, she's a great actress, sexyyy and we love the character

Listen I didn't mean you was obsessed. It's just the way your post was written that made it seem like you was obsessed with Maria cos you always seem to get pissed off when ppl say they find her boring which makes zero sense as everyone is entitled to their own opinion

I'm not obsessed with Kylie tho. That would mean I had posters of her up in my room, dreamed and fantasised about her, etc.

I seem a bit angry yeah? I'm angry about the Kylie abuse on here, it's becoming abnormal the way ppl are still doing it, mentioning my age and getting personal. They should just get a life big time, I swear some are trolls tbh

I'm glad in a ****ed up way tbh tho. Now I'm starting to see this forum for what it really is. Funny actually, cos I was told the soap forum was the nicest on this forum, yeah right!

It seems like you only fit on here if you are a die hard soap fan who sticks with soaps even when they're crap. I'm a casual viewer, if it's shit (which it is now) I turn it off
callumfreeman
02-09-2016
I really don't see the dislike Maria is getting, unless of course the comments of her being "dreary" is just jokey banter, because frankly she is no worse than most of the characters. Actually, Eva is doing my head in more with her banging on about wanting a flat every single episode and is possibly the most neediest person in the show, almost like a female Sean Tully where everything is all about her and she is too thick to see others aren't interested and can't take a hint.

The factory lot are awful as well, except maybe Sally who does have her moments but unfortunately gets drivel.

Have to admit I didn't notice the 'racist' thing at first, but this is because I mostly zone out now during Eva's scenes. It wasn't until I went on Facebook and then it was brought up on here when I began to notice it. Typically people on Facebook jump on the bandwagon, you even got those who never watched the show going on about how 'outraged' they are without seeing how it was said or delivered.
James_Langan
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“I used to drool at the mouth whenever Kylie came on screen, she's sexy! Me and Multimedia swapped reasons the other day why we loved her so much, she's a great actress, sexyyy and we love the character

Listen I didn't mean you was obsessed. It's just the way your post was written that made it seem like you was obsessed with Maria cos you always seem to get pissed off when ppl say they find her boring which makes zero sense as everyone is entitled to their own opinion

I'm not obsessed with Kylie tho. That would mean I had posters of her up in my room, dreamed and fantasised about her, etc.

I seem a bit angry yeah? I'm angry about the Kylie abuse on here, it's becoming abnormal the way ppl are still doing it, mentioning my age and getting personal. They should just get a life big time, I swear some are trolls tbh

I'm glad in a ****ed up way tbh tho. Now I'm starting to see this forum for what it really is. Funny actually, cos I was told the soap forum was the nicest on this forum, yeah right!

It seems like you only fit on here if you are a die hard soap fan who sticks with soaps even when they're crap. I'm a casual viewer, if it's shit (which it is now) I turn it off”

You said the key words "everyone is entitled to their own opinion". That's what forums are for. If you think someone one is getting personal with their remarks to you don't make blanket statements, go after the one who is doing it. A word to the wise though, don't mistake humor or opposing views as personal. The forum can't make allowances for your age and I don't think you'd like it if it did. It would be an insult to you. Your obviously clever so let your writing reflect it. I'm not alway congenial myself. If comedy or confrontation is needed I'm more than up for it. Calm down cool mate and read the post twice before hitting the send button. Life is hard enough and can bring a lot of trouble but sometimes not half as much as we can bring upon ourselves. So endeth the lesson.
Cool_mate
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by James_Langan:
“You said the key words "everyone is entitled to their own opinion". That's what forums are for. If you think someone one is getting personal with their remarks to you don't make blanket statements, go after the one who is doing it. A word to the wise though, don't mistake humor or opposing views as personal. The forum can't make allowances for your age and I don't think you'd like it if it did. It would be an insult to you. Your obviously clever so let your writing reflect it. I'm not alway congenial myself. If comedy or confrontation is needed I'm more than up for it. Calm down cool mate and read the post twice before hitting the send button. Life is hard enough and can bring a lot of trouble but sometimes not half as much as we can bring upon ourselves. So endeth the lesson.”

Nahhh

I'm not gonna report em. They're not worth it
tuppencehapenny
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Yeah but people interpret things differently and I can see how some could come to that conclusion.”

But if they did they would be making an error. It's not a matter of interpretation but of fact. Taking umbrage because they've misunderstood is very silly.
Mark_Washingto1
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by tuppencehapenny:
“But if they did they would be making an error. It's not a matter of interpretation but of fact. Taking umbrage because they've misunderstood is very silly.”

I disagree with that. I think if you offend someone and it wasn't you intent you still should apologize, it goes to show you are taking the other person's feelings into consideration.
James_Langan
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“Nahhh

I'm not gonna report em. They're not worth it”

Never, under any circumstances try to deprive the right to free speech for anyone. When you do that you are on a slippery slope. The next time you say something the same will be done to you. You should cherish and promote it at every opportunity. Our human rights are worth it. You have everything going for you, your future seems bright. You have a lot to be thankful for. Your health, brains and optimism. Instead of all that you could be like some your age emaciated from hillbilly crack, dying down on main street in the home of the brave. If someone gets personal pick up the pace and use the skills you have. If you report instead of holding your own I'll never fogive you for giving my right to speak away.
Glendarroch
02-09-2016
Here's s a thought

If Eva was digging in the garden ( unlikely I know) and said ' this weed's s got more roots than Kunta Kinte' - would we all take offence and assume she was comparing slaves to weeds?
2shy2007
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“What racism scandal? ”

Some idiots decided to complain about a roots joke, there was no racism used, in fact it was rather witty for Eva! made me giggle anyway.
Hound of Love
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Dilly Daydream:
“I've always thought the MOBOs could be seen as racist - there would be a riot if we suddenly had Music of White Origin awards.....”

Whose winners have included the likes of Amy Winehouse...Ed Sheeran...Jessie J....

As for Corrie, it'll never be axed. Not so sure about Hollyoaks though!
Mark_Washingto1
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“Here's s a thought

If Eva was digging in the garden ( unlikely I know) and said ' this weed's s got more roots than Kunta Kinte' - would we all take offence and assume she was comparing slaves to weeds?”

I'm going to say yes because people could think that she was implying she's working like a slave in a cotton field.

jokes and puns regarding slavery should just be avoided.
Glendarroch
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I'm going to say yes because people could think that she was implying she's working like a slave in a cotton field.

jokes and puns regarding slavery should just be avoided.”

I agree with you, but I wouldn' t see that as a pun or joke about slavery, just a play on the word ' roots'. I do think sometimes people read too much into things and to me it's s getting into dangerous territory to pander to that if you're in the media
Kirk Angel
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I'm going to say yes because people could think that she was implying she's working like a slave in a cotton field.

jokes and puns regarding slavery should just be avoided.”

What about songs?! Can I no longer shake it to Britney Spears Slave 4 u?!
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