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#1051 |
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Well at least I can stop hearing about the most meaningless unbeaten run in history now. We didn't play badly, and could've still lost even if we'd played better, but today just brought into stark focus just what our problems are. It's time to stop hiding behind false positives now.
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#1052 |
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We actually played well in that game, it was just a shame Pedro scored a world class goal when he did just before HT. It ultimately got the crowd behind them and the only other real chance they got they scored from.
Now comes the real test as we have a run of fixtures where we will be expected to win. It's to early to judge both Poch and the team in the league. December is going to be an interesting month. There's a definite lack of intensity and energy this term. |
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#1053 |
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We lost the ball in midfield when Dembele and Erickson were fannying about with it and then Dier inexplicably didn't close down the shot. A great finish by Pedro granted - but we made it easy for him with a lack of concentration.
There's a definite lack of intensity and energy this term. One thing that is definitely absent is passing the ball forward. In Pochettino's first two seasons he would demand it of the team. Now, the ball is played around slowly and safely. Last season saw the team cut out the majority of bad mistakes and poor decision making but now they've returned amongst a lot of players. Consequently, I tend to agree with Pochettino, that it's a mentality issue. |
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#1054 |
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We lost the ball in midfield when Dembele and Erickson were fannying about with it and then Dier inexplicably didn't close down the shot. A great finish by Pedro granted - but we made it easy for him with a lack of concentration.
There's a definite lack of intensity and energy this term. The energy and intensity was there in the first half. We just need to show that for the rest of the season. |
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#1055 |
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Poch - "the stats were all in our favour so it is difficult to explain why we lost the game".
I despair, I really do. If he really thinks just stats win you the game and cannot understand why we lost after that second half performance then he us either taking the p**s out of all of us or he is simply not fit for purpose. |
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#1056 |
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Who do you want to replace him? And would you really expect to be higher in the league than you currently are?
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#1057 |
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that oversimplifies the situation. it doesn't matter where we are in the league, or where we think we should be....we are not playing well, and we've just been knocked out a CL group that we could've won, and definitely should've qualified from. we're underperforming, in other words.
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#1058 |
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that oversimplifies the situation. it doesn't matter where we are in the league, or where we think we should be....we are not playing well, and we've just been knocked out a CL group that we could've won, and definitely should've qualified from. we're underperforming, in other words.
From an external perspective he's doing a good job, i don't think you had any god given right to go through in the CL.. His signings in the summer were crap though. |
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#1059 |
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It sounds as if people in here are calling for the guys head - calling him not fit for purpose. Fair enough if that's the view - but where exactly do you expect to be/ who do you want instead. It's a perfect fair question.
From an external perspective he's doing a good job, i don't think you had any god given right to go through in the CL.. His signings in the summer were crap though. |
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#1060 |
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It sounds as if people in here are calling for the guys head - calling him not fit for purpose. Fair enough if that's the view - but where exactly do you expect to be/ who do you want instead. It's a perfect fair question.
From an external perspective he's doing a good job, i don't think you had any god given right to go through in the CL.. His signings in the summer were crap though. If you go through the pages on this thread, you will soon notice that when we do play well and get a good result it tends to go unnoticed or all other teams have underperformed and that's why it appears we've done well etc. We have been extremely poor in the CL and our squad is a little thin on the ground which hopefully we can address in January. |
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#1061 |
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Cheers for the responses guys. I guess all sides have these kind of 'fans'. I guess i find the Spurs situation interesting because you guys have had a rough ride for so long but you look better now than at almost any time that i can remember.
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#1062 |
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It sounds as if people in here are calling for the guys head - calling him not fit for purpose. Fair enough if that's the view - but where exactly do you expect to be/ who do you want instead. It's a perfect fair question.
From an external perspective he's doing a good job, i don't think you had any god given right to go through in the CL.. His signings in the summer were crap though. No-one has a god-given right to do anything in any competition, but if I asked you whether or not we'd qualify when the draw was made, I'm certain that you would have expected us to do a lot better than 4 points in 5 games. By all means give Pochettino credit for having us where we are, but also be objective enough to see that 1 win in 10 matches isn't good, that repeatedly failing to score from open play suggests a problem, that not picking your strongest lineup for a make-or-break CL tie is a terrible decision. If pointing out the absolute be makes me a "fan" in your eyes or anyone else's, then so be it. |
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#1063 |
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It's a very small number that think that way, and one reason this thread is far less active than it used to be.
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#1064 |
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because the happy-clappies would rather stick their heads in the clouds and pretend everything is amazing?
This season, the big boys are back where they should be, and we're just behind them, where we should be. We were in a similar vein of form this time last season, but had a great run after losing our unbeaten streak. I dont really think that will happen again, but if we are still in with a chance of top four towards the end of the season, I'm happy, because that is our level. I dont see any happy clappies, just people who support their team, rather than gleefully slagging off everything they do. |
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#1065 |
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we're playing poorly. you can dress it up with all the mitigating circumstances you wish to, but at the end of the day you know it, I know it, and I know you know it.
by all means support the team as best you know how to. just lose the superior I'm-a-better-fan-than-you nonsense if you don't mind. constantly making excuses for poor performances, or blindly sticking your head in the sand and pretending there's nothing to see doesn't make you or any of the others any better of a supporter than anyone else. |
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#1066 |
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Well at least I can stop hearing about the most meaningless unbeaten run in history now....
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#1067 |
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Dier was superb last season, but this season i think his play is suffering simply because of his versatility. He is playing different positions to fill in for injuries, and yes he is technically a centre back but I think we can see now that the role he was in last year is where he excels (unless if course last season was an anomoly, but I dont think so). We are lucky we now have Wanyama and Dier, but I do think Dier has suffered from that a little bit.
Im also glad the unbeaten run is off our back, just like last season it was becoming a burden, which sounds strange but is true IMO. Hopefully we can turn draws into wins now. |
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#1068 |
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I for one will be glad when Toby is back. At least we might stand a chance of keeping a clean sheet. Dier seems to be at fault for at least one goal per game.
Eriksen's goal reminded me what we have been missing from him. I know he is always high in the ground covered and pass completion stats but by his standards he should be contributing more goals and assists. Also, I didn't think I would ever say this but I think the team is poorer without Lamela. Who ever we put out on the right, they are not able to keep up the same intensity as him. Just checked Physioroom and they have all injured players returning next Saturday, Dec 3rd. Will be interesting to see what difference having a full strength squad to pick from makes. |
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#1069 |
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As I recall Dier had never really established his credentials as a centre back before he was drafted into midfield as a stop gap when we had multiple injuries at the start of last season. He had performed much better at right back.
I don't think he has been playing as well this season anyway and I think the farce of the Euros and injury has had an impact on that but primarily he is again showing that he is at best an average centre back. |
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#1070 |
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we're playing poorly. you can dress it up with all the mitigating circumstances you wish to, but at the end of the day you know it, I know it, and I know you know it.
by all means support the team as best you know how to. just lose the superior I'm-a-better-fan-than-you nonsense if you don't mind. constantly making excuses for poor performances, or blindly sticking your head in the sand and pretending there's nothing to see doesn't make you or any of the others any better of a supporter than anyone else. I dont mind saying so when we play badly, but I dont go along with all the doom about just how bad we are, and that the manager is rubbish stuff. It's nothing to do with being a better supporter, it's just about a bit of support, rather than constant negativity. |
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#1071 |
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I can count the good performances this season on one hand. We've been poor in the majority of games, and especially these last two months. A lot of our problems stem from us having a severe lack of quality further forward. That's not doom and gloom, it's just a very realistic assessment of where we're at right now.
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#1072 |
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I can count the good performances this season on one hand. We've been poor in the majority of games, and especially these last two months. A lot of our problems stem from us having a severe lack of quality further forward. That's not doom and gloom, it's just a very realistic assessment of where we're at right now.
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#1073 |
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Nuetral perspective here...
The energy levels don't appear to be at the heights of last season. Factor in the CL and a summer tournament as two potential contributing factors, added to the simple fact it's simply a tough ask to expect that week-in, week-out for two seasons. Spurs have got one of the best defences in the league when all fit - but Toby A is a big miss if you had to pick one. Alli seems to be playing lame with that big strapping so I don't think that helps at all as he was a key spark last season. Likewise Kane missing the games he has (and not being 100% match fit) can't help, especially with Jansen not looking like a goal machine and Son not being much of a physical presence. I don't think Poch's style is sustainable over two seasons sandwiching a summer tournament with a squad with a lack of depth in some areas - I can't understand why Chadli was let go (as a squad player). Thought Spurs were good in the first half on Saturday but ran out of steam. Too many of the key creative forces from last season are on "battery low" or are injured. That's how I've seen it anyway. |
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#1074 |
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Hi guys, here in peace. A friend in South Africa's son is a lifelong Spurs fan. He's coming over after Xmas and is looking for a ticket to your home game vs Chelsea on 4th Jan. Any ideas how he could get one please? There's no way he can pay the online ticket tout rates. Thank you
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#1075 |
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It sounds as if people in here are calling for the guys head - calling him not fit for purpose. Fair enough if that's the view - but where exactly do you expect to be/ who do you want instead. It's a perfect fair question.
From an external perspective he's doing a good job, i don't think you had any god given right to go through in the CL.. His signings in the summer were crap though. Lets look at our main rivals this season. Conte at Chelsea, Klopp at Liverpool, Wenger at Arsenal, Mourinho at Man Utd, Guardiola at Man City. Everyone of them title and multiple cup winners. Poch has won NOTHING. To answer the question, right here right now for where we are as a club this minute I would have Benitez as manager in a heartbeat. Obviously not everyones cup of tea, but he is A) vastly experienced, B) A winner !, C) respected by the players. Look at Rafa's honours - 2 La Ligas, 2 UEFA cups, 2 Italian Super Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 European Super Cup, 1 FA Cup, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 FIFA Club World Cup, 1 Commuity Shield. Even with that record there are still some deluded fans who crazily think he is "not good enough for us". Its that sort of delusion that stops us ever moving upwards in the football chain. I remember last season when we were doing well there were some people ludicrously saying they thought Poch would be here for the next 10-15 years. I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. This constant obsession with a "journey" and a "project" and always thinking success is going to come "in the future" means we simply stand still as others improve and carry on winning things today. People saying Poch needs more time etc..............he is already (unbelievably) the current 3rd longest serving manager in the premier league (not including promoted sides). The game has changed and the lifespan of a premiership manager is short these days. Anyone thinking that Poch was going to stay 10 years or even 5 years needs to realise this. Of course a percentage of fans with their heads in their backsides would hate Benitez, but I ask them this. Does anyone think we would have gone out of the champions league so weakly if he was our boss ? If it was Rafa as our boss last season against Ranieri we would probably be Premiership champions right now. |
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