The only reason these bullies are being talked about is because Kevin and Karen responded to their insults, that is also the reason why we are talking about it here. I think it creates a side show that is beneficial to no one and it gives the bullies a voice that otherwise they woudn't have. Again my opinion, they should concentrate on what matters, there will always be people who do not like you, the more popular you become, the more enemies you make, My advise would be to let it go.

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No, it's not. Plenty of people are talking about it in isolation without Kevin, Karen and Joanne's responses.

They are perfectly entitled to respond and defend themselves if they wish, and I think it's a bit dangerous to suggest they shouldn't do so - the bullies will have a voice of their own regardless.

They would be talked about, because James Jordan, yet again, decided to air his bs stories on twitter. Then his fans started harassing Jo, Kevin and Karen. So, Kevin, Jo and Karen were again going to be part of tabloid fodder, because of James.

I see absolutely nothing wrong when Jo, Kevin and Karen corrected wrong information the James fans started to tweet at them. I find it so wrong, that the victims of online bullying always have to 'let it go', and not stand up for themselves. I would reply too if they were spreading wrong info, and then block them.

You're so right, Jordan knows that he only has to light the blue-touch paper and retire and it will all kick off, The way he is carrying on indicates to me he will lose any reputation he may still have left, natural justice will ensure he will have no reputation to protect.

Does he think he's still relevant? He's a parasite who sucks on SCD blood.

I wonder if James & Kevin knew each other way back in the day...like in the playground...because it seems that is where this type of grudge should stem from. Their age difference is five years so no impossible...

Series 11 were Jordan's last and Clifton's first. He probably thinks Kevin replaced him.

I agree with James that putting Lesley & Anton together was as boring and predictable as it gets. As for the same pros getting good dancers every year, there is an element of truth in that:

Aljaz (my favourite male pro btw) has had Abbey, Alison, Helen and now Daisy. Apart from the latter who is an unknown quantity, one could argue that he has been gifted since he joined. Yes he only reached one final so the fact that Kevin has reached 3/3 may speak volumes for his teaching skills - something which is bound to rile Jordan.

Then there is Pasha who had Rachel, Chelsee, Kimberley and finally Carol. Before hitting the dancefloor, Rachel was touted as a contender so he has not done badly either. Same as Giovanni who had Georgia and now likely contender Laura.

So why isn't James making any "same pros good dancers" comments about Aljaz, Pasha or Giovanni?? Clearly, his dislike for the Cliftons goes way beyond who is partnered with whom.

(One thing this has made me realise though - the female pros get more of a mix of good and poor celebrities as opposed to the males who more or less get one or the other)

Well that is an interesting question. Yes, they did compete against each other as amateurs (I'd assumed James was much older but as you say there is just a 5 year difference) and generally the Jordans consistently got better results except in the Jordans' last competition as amateurs at Blackpool (and that result looks to be a bit of an oddity). You can compare different dancers to your hearts content on dancesportinfo. http://dancesportinfo.net/DancersComparisonSelect.aspx

But that did make me think a bit more. Kevin comes from a dancing family. Now that doesn't bother a lot of people in dancing as they have similar backgrounds. (My dance teacher knows the Cliftons and thinks they're fine but his parents were also dancers). James doesn't come from that background, I think, and had to finance his dancing by working part time. So they do have quite different backgrounds and so maybe they are not natural buddies.

Hmm - strange "coincidence" or did someone know something about this pair's relationship (or lack thereof)?

Then if he (Jordan) has to spit bile, direct it to the producers.....

Or, better still, try asking the producers why they thought he NEEDED replacing


Interesting - so we've got the boy born with the silver spoon vs the boy who who had nothing and came from nowhere...

How will you follow his commentary then?

Not so sure it was a "silver spoon" - at least not judging by this nice clip I saw of Joanne and her dad talking about the impact of her dancing on her family and the sacrifices they made BUT certainly a supportive dancing family who were prepared to make those sacrifices. No idea about JJ's situation.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...mand/59678-001

I agree with your points about other male pros getting possible contenders but there being less complaint in comparison to Kevin. What it boils down to is that people don't like him and don't like seeing him throughout the 12 weeks, or however long the series lasts. Instead of admitting their passionate dislike for him they attempt to rationalise why they don't like him but most 'rationalisations' do not old up to scrutiny. Another who got contenders was Artem even though he had his dud in Fern. Kevin will get a complete dud and who knows whether or not Louise manages well.

I'm not sure the female pros get more of a mix in comparison to the males. Brendan has had a fair mix over the years as did Ian Waite, Matt Cutler and Vincent Simone. Anton and Robin had consistently poor partners; we all know why Anton has been given lesser contenders, it's not so obvious why the same fate befell Robin.

I certainly have the feeling this is true, despite...



I think it probably is much easier for the male pros to have repeat contenders - or at least, non-duffers - because there are more female celebs with a dance background. Or even just more women willing to give themselves over to the performance 'thing'. We regularly have four or five women who look like they could do well against one or two men. Perhaps the numbers just stack more favourably for the male pros.

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Kevin in adults did not compete for that long though before turning pro and going to the stage, but he did win the British - something James did not achieve, as for dancing families well it would cover a lot of the couples competing out there - it helps but unless the work is put in does not mean they will achieve the very top. We now have another dancer on the show from a dancing family AJ whose father runs a successful dance school in cheshire and whose brother is currently with Burn The Floor

Yes I think that's definitely the case - there are usually always many more female contenders than male ones. So the male pros often have better runs of it. But if there is a strong male contender, then they will usually do very well

I agree bendy that comparing two dancers over a limited period of their competitive career can be misleading. For example, if you compare Neil and Kevin encounters you could get the very mistaken impression that Kevin is more successful, but that's because the encounters occurred before Neil's partnership with Katya. I was just answering jroos's question as to whether they would have been on the same circuit and was making the point that, although they were for a while, James didn't lose out to Kevin.

As for dancing families, I was just speculating as to the differences between James and Kevin. I agree there are loads of them, sometimes through multiple generations.

I have never stated that they are not intitled to respond, and no, it is not dangerous to suggest that they shoudn't do so, stop being so dramatic please.


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think in their position ignoring them is the better choice. especially with the 3 Cliftons going at it, they may be standing for themselves and that's fine, but the situation may cause concern on Strictly.

I wonder if it would be a good idea for the pros to come to this forum and respond to the bullies on these forums , there is plenty of nasty comments floating around these parts as well.

Don't do as I do, do as I tell you then?

James's bio is here
http://www.jamesandola.com/bioJames.php
He has dance teaching parents and a dancing sister.

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Ah, didn't know that. . Thanks. (So that theory goes out the window! )

I would be much more inclined to read that biog if he had put a shirt on. What is it with the Jordans and nudity?

I see a big difference in commenting on a forum, where the comments don't reach the pros in any way, than directing the nasty comments @ them on social media. James himself didn't tweet the comments @ Karen, Jo or Kevin, these 'fans' took it upon themselves to reply with tweeting them @ the Cliftons too.

I'm fine with however the pros or celebs deal with the bullies, if they want to reply, it's fine, if they don't want to, and chose to be quiet, that's fine too.