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Old 04-09-2016, 20:54
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It's very annoying.
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:04
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I agree. It's so tedious
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:17
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I assume you are on about the girl who felt the need to tell everyone about her personal life and her bad relationship.

Singing 'Redemption.'

Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:34
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Adding "runs" because you feel them, they truly embellish the song, and your voice naturally tends to a warbling style is fine, but there is definitely a problem , especially in the last decade or so, with those who are obviously imitating their faves but without the understanding, musicality, or genuinely suited to that style voices. Examples: Leona Lewis does this a lot, but with her range and natural voice, it does not sound like oversinging to the discerning ear.
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:39
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Awful.

Sad too because when she sung properly she had a lovely smoky tone to her voice, but all that shouting, and runs, and nonsense was horrible.

The judges comments about 'feeling every word' - couldn't disagree more - singing as many notes as possible as loudly as you can does not = emotion. Bob Marley sang it quietly, with a thousand times more feeling.jm
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:59
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She was one of those acts where i wonder if I've actually been watching the same show as I thought she was all over the place and screechy.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:12
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Agreed.

In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.

Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:57
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I couldn't listen to it anymore so I forwarded her performance.
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Old 04-09-2016, 23:07
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That song was all wrong for her. She has a sweetness to her tone, but her voice is not suited to that kind of belting and the unnecessary diva histrionics were exactly what I meant when I said imitating their favorites. Her voice sounds more suited to country/folk/light blues than to attempting to morph a Marley tune into a Celine demo.
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Old 05-09-2016, 11:50
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It was bloody awful. I was in another room when she came on and thought wtf, I eventually go and turn the volume down to see all the judges singing her praises. They ought to be at our end.
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Old 06-09-2016, 14:23
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I assume you are on about the girl who felt the need to tell everyone about her personal life and her bad relationship.

Singing 'Redemption.'

Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.
Seriously? I thought she was great!
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Old 06-09-2016, 14:45
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Seriously? I thought she was great!

At the end of the day it is all down to personal taste. We all like different genres of music and different types of singers. It would be terribly dull if we all liked Adele and the likes.
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Old 06-09-2016, 15:18
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yeah some people over do it
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Old 07-09-2016, 21:28
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Even pop "singers" have become really bad for this. Apparently screaming/shouting equates to hitting the higher notes now, as does squealing off tune. Real singers don't shout, they project, so why do these fakers have to deafen us by trying to hit a certain note. Just sing within your capabilities. I think it's because half of them are autotuned to death by their "producers" and so they can't actually match up to what is on their records.
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:13
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Even pop "singers" have become really bad for this. Apparently screaming/shouting equates to hitting the higher notes now, as does squealing off tune. Real singers don't shout, they project, so why do these fakers have to deafen us by trying to hit a certain note. Just sing within your capabilities. I think it's because half of them are autotuned to death by their "producers" and so they can't actually match up to what is on their records.
I agree, and you answered your own question. They shout because their voice is not powerful and/or they cannot project properly. A great vocal has dynamics, light and shade if you will, and a memorable sound that brings a song to life. A great voice is another matter, but few have that, and if a singer's voice is just "good", they can still be successful if they work within their means.
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Old 08-09-2016, 00:54
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I agree, and you answered your own question. They shout because their voice is not powerful and/or they cannot project properly. A great vocal has dynamics, light and shade if you will, and a memorable sound that brings a song to life. A great voice is another matter, but few have that, and if a singer's voice is just "good", they can still be successful if they work within their means.
Totally agree. Some of the most prolific singers in history in fact didn't have the best technical voice, did they? But they had passion in their voices and stuck to what they were good at.
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Old 10-09-2016, 12:26
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and on that note.. why do some people find it necessary to recount their 'sob stories', do they really think the general public will vote them as the winner because of this.
just stick to singing and leave the private life stories where they belong...private.
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:54
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Agreed.

In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.

Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.
Your comments would be well founded if "Redemption Song" was a reggae number, which a tone deaf ant would realise. Just because it was written and originally performed by RN Marley doesn't mean it is reggae - he was capable of a much wider range of compositional styles than a single genre. The song owes far more to mento than reggae.
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Old 10-09-2016, 21:26
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Totally agree. Some of the most prolific singers in history in fact didn't have the best technical voice, did they? But they had passion in their voices and stuck to what they were good at.
......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.

That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.
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Old 10-09-2016, 21:27
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Your comments would be well founded if "Redemption Song" was a reggae number, which a tone deaf ant would realise. Just because it was written and originally performed by RN Marley doesn't mean it is reggae - he was capable of a much wider range of compositional styles than a single genre. The song owes far more to mento than reggae.
It still has his Reggae vocal to it though and nobody will be able to change the vocal style convincingly from another genre imo.
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Old 10-09-2016, 21:31
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......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.

That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.
the thing with artists like marley, bowie etc etc is they didn't try to sing outwith the limitations of their voices if that makes sense

they stayed within what they knew they could do and were able to control their vocals even if they were limited, then wrote songs that fitted their range

too many contestants on this show seem to think that a song is nothing more than a vehicle for them to show off how many tricks they can do, whether the song needs them or not, and in alot of cases they dont have the necessary control to make those tricks sound good
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:10
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......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.

That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.
Exactly. Same could be said of Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan etc. In fact, so many massive 60s/70s/80s stars had very simple-sounding music, but it was AMAZING.

It seems to be that ever since 'the divas' came along; Whitney, Mariah, Celine; that it has become fashionable to try and assault the senses of the audience by screaming at them. Of course, 'the divas' were actually just singing and projecting, not screeching.

the thing with artists like marley, bowie etc etc is they didn't try to sing outwith the limitations of their voices if that makes sense

they stayed within what they knew they could do and were able to control their vocals even if they were limited, then wrote songs that fitted their range

too many contestants on this show seem to think that a song is nothing more than a vehicle for them to show off how many tricks they can do, whether the song needs them or not, and in alot of cases they dont have the necessary control to make those tricks sound good
Even modern 'belters' like Christina and Jessie J are incredibly annoying to listen to. Just because one CAN 'do it all' doesn't mean one has to do it all at once.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:40
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Exactly. Same could be said of Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan etc. In fact, so many massive 60s/70s/80s stars had very simple-sounding music, but it was AMAZING.

It seems to be that ever since 'the divas' came along; Whitney, Mariah, Celine; that it has become fashionable to try and assault the senses of the audience by screaming at them. Of course, 'the divas' were actually just singing and projecting, not screeching.



Even modern 'belters' like Christina and Jessie J are incredibly annoying to listen to. Just because one CAN 'do it all' doesn't mean one has to do it all at once.
Agree and practice what I preach. In this link is a cover of Mariah Care Dreamlover with whistle notes http://www.bandmix.com/amygreen-vocalist/ which is what I *can* do. I love and respect Mariah and her amazing pipes,but there is a time and place for it. Covering her songs is that time for me. Notice the rest of the tracks, in which I *don't* do what I *can*...because *can* doesn't always mean *should*
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:32
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Niall Sexton is the only person so far who hasn't oversang and kept it pure
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Old 11-09-2016, 19:00
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Niall Sexton is the only person so far who hasn't oversang and kept it pure
Niall did sing well,and without "oversinging",but was not the only one shown who did, or even the one most in tune. Granted,some of the best auditions have been/will likely be cut or cut short in order for the show to be less obvious in lacking credibility as they sent a few of the most vocally gifted and talented artists home, so, unless you look them up, you would not know it from watching the main show.
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