It's very annoying. 
Oversinging
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I assume you are on about the girl who felt the need to tell everyone about her personal life and her bad relationship.
Singing 'Redemption.'
Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.
Singing 'Redemption.'
Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.
Adding "runs" because you feel them, they truly embellish the song, and your voice naturally tends to a warbling style is fine, but there is definitely a problem , especially in the last decade or so, with those who are obviously imitating their faves but without the understanding, musicality, or genuinely suited to that style voices. Examples: Leona Lewis does this a lot, but with her range and natural voice, it does not sound like oversinging to the discerning ear.
Awful.
Sad too because when she sung properly she had a lovely smoky tone to her voice, but all that shouting, and runs, and nonsense was horrible.
The judges comments about 'feeling every word' - couldn't disagree more - singing as many notes as possible as loudly as you can does not = emotion. Bob Marley sang it quietly, with a thousand times more feeling.jm
Sad too because when she sung properly she had a lovely smoky tone to her voice, but all that shouting, and runs, and nonsense was horrible.
The judges comments about 'feeling every word' - couldn't disagree more - singing as many notes as possible as loudly as you can does not = emotion. Bob Marley sang it quietly, with a thousand times more feeling.jm
She was one of those acts where i wonder if I've actually been watching the same show as I thought she was all over the place and screechy.
Agreed.
In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.
Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.
In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.
Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.
That song was all wrong for her. She has a sweetness to her tone, but her voice is not suited to that kind of belting and the unnecessary diva histrionics were exactly what I meant when I said imitating their favorites. Her voice sounds more suited to country/folk/light blues than to attempting to morph a Marley tune into a Celine demo.
It was bloody awful. I was in another room when she came on and thought wtf, I eventually go and turn the volume down to see all the judges singing her praises. They ought to be at our end.
Originally Posted by Autumn-Dreams:
“I assume you are on about the girl who felt the need to tell everyone about her personal life and her bad relationship.
Singing 'Redemption.'
Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.”
“I assume you are on about the girl who felt the need to tell everyone about her personal life and her bad relationship.
Singing 'Redemption.'
Made my ears bleed. Bloody awful.”
Seriously?
I thought she was great!
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Seriously? I thought she was great!”
“Seriously?
I thought she was great!”
At the end of the day it is all down to personal taste. We all like different genres of music and different types of singers. It would be terribly dull if we all liked Adele and the likes.
Even pop "singers" have become really bad for this. Apparently screaming/shouting equates to hitting the higher notes now, as does squealing off tune. Real singers don't shout, they project, so why do these fakers have to deafen us by trying to hit a certain note. Just sing within your capabilities. I think it's because half of them are autotuned to death by their "producers" and so they can't actually match up to what is on their records.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Even pop "singers" have become really bad for this. Apparently screaming/shouting equates to hitting the higher notes now, as does squealing off tune. Real singers don't shout, they project, so why do these fakers have to deafen us by trying to hit a certain note. Just sing within your capabilities. I think it's because half of them are autotuned to death by their "producers" and so they can't actually match up to what is on their records.”
“Even pop "singers" have become really bad for this. Apparently screaming/shouting equates to hitting the higher notes now, as does squealing off tune. Real singers don't shout, they project, so why do these fakers have to deafen us by trying to hit a certain note. Just sing within your capabilities. I think it's because half of them are autotuned to death by their "producers" and so they can't actually match up to what is on their records.”
I agree, and you answered your own question. They shout because their voice is not powerful and/or they cannot project properly. A great vocal has dynamics, light and shade if you will, and a memorable sound that brings a song to life. A great voice is another matter, but few have that, and if a singer's voice is just "good", they can still be successful if they work within their means.
Originally Posted by Singy Thingy:
“I agree, and you answered your own question. They shout because their voice is not powerful and/or they cannot project properly. A great vocal has dynamics, light and shade if you will, and a memorable sound that brings a song to life. A great voice is another matter, but few have that, and if a singer's voice is just "good", they can still be successful if they work within their means.”
“I agree, and you answered your own question. They shout because their voice is not powerful and/or they cannot project properly. A great vocal has dynamics, light and shade if you will, and a memorable sound that brings a song to life. A great voice is another matter, but few have that, and if a singer's voice is just "good", they can still be successful if they work within their means.”
Totally agree. Some of the most prolific singers in history in fact didn't have the best technical voice, did they? But they had passion in their voices and stuck to what they were good at.
and on that note.. why do some people find it necessary to recount their 'sob stories', do they really think the general public will vote them as the winner because of this.
just stick to singing and leave the private life stories where they belong...private.
just stick to singing and leave the private life stories where they belong...private.
Originally Posted by big bang theory:
“Agreed.
In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.
Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.”
“Agreed.
In particular Redemption Song is suppose to be a gentlely sung song, not screeched through to it's very core.
Although I'm of the personal belief that other types of singers can't sing Reggae anyway, if the songs are to be given out then they need to have a Reggae singer sing the song.”
Your comments would be well founded if "Redemption Song" was a reggae number, which a tone deaf ant would realise. Just because it was written and originally performed by RN Marley doesn't mean it is reggae - he was capable of a much wider range of compositional styles than a single genre. The song owes far more to mento than reggae.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Totally agree. Some of the most prolific singers in history in fact didn't have the best technical voice, did they? But they had passion in their voices and stuck to what they were good at.”
“Totally agree. Some of the most prolific singers in history in fact didn't have the best technical voice, did they? But they had passion in their voices and stuck to what they were good at.”
......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.
That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.
Originally Posted by Nigel_Bourne:
“Your comments would be well founded if "Redemption Song" was a reggae number, which a tone deaf ant would realise. Just because it was written and originally performed by RN Marley doesn't mean it is reggae - he was capable of a much wider range of compositional styles than a single genre. The song owes far more to mento than reggae.”
“Your comments would be well founded if "Redemption Song" was a reggae number, which a tone deaf ant would realise. Just because it was written and originally performed by RN Marley doesn't mean it is reggae - he was capable of a much wider range of compositional styles than a single genre. The song owes far more to mento than reggae.”
It still has his Reggae vocal to it though and nobody will be able to change the vocal style convincingly from another genre imo.
Originally Posted by avanne:
“......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.
That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.”
“......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.
That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.”
the thing with artists like marley, bowie etc etc is they didn't try to sing outwith the limitations of their voices if that makes sense
they stayed within what they knew they could do and were able to control their vocals even if they were limited, then wrote songs that fitted their range
too many contestants on this show seem to think that a song is nothing more than a vehicle for them to show off how many tricks they can do, whether the song needs them or not, and in alot of cases they dont have the necessary control to make those tricks sound good
Originally Posted by avanne:
“......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.
That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.”
“......and Bob Marley is a prime example of this. I would put 'sticking to what they're good at' as 'having a style of their own'.
That particular performance was a prime example of everything that is wrong with X-factor - Bob Marley would never have won X-factor because he didn't have massive vocal range or strengh (& obviously far too much artistic integrity) but he had genuine soul, and give me a million Bob Marleys over this vocal gymnastics.”
Exactly. Same could be said of Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan etc. In fact, so many massive 60s/70s/80s stars had very simple-sounding music, but it was AMAZING.
It seems to be that ever since 'the divas' came along; Whitney, Mariah, Celine; that it has become fashionable to try and assault the senses of the audience by screaming at them. Of course, 'the divas' were actually just singing and projecting, not screeching.
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“the thing with artists like marley, bowie etc etc is they didn't try to sing outwith the limitations of their voices if that makes sense
they stayed within what they knew they could do and were able to control their vocals even if they were limited, then wrote songs that fitted their range
too many contestants on this show seem to think that a song is nothing more than a vehicle for them to show off how many tricks they can do, whether the song needs them or not, and in alot of cases they dont have the necessary control to make those tricks sound good”
“the thing with artists like marley, bowie etc etc is they didn't try to sing outwith the limitations of their voices if that makes sense
they stayed within what they knew they could do and were able to control their vocals even if they were limited, then wrote songs that fitted their range
too many contestants on this show seem to think that a song is nothing more than a vehicle for them to show off how many tricks they can do, whether the song needs them or not, and in alot of cases they dont have the necessary control to make those tricks sound good”
Even modern 'belters' like Christina and Jessie J are incredibly annoying to listen to. Just because one CAN 'do it all' doesn't mean one has to do it all at once.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Exactly. Same could be said of Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan etc. In fact, so many massive 60s/70s/80s stars had very simple-sounding music, but it was AMAZING.
It seems to be that ever since 'the divas' came along; Whitney, Mariah, Celine; that it has become fashionable to try and assault the senses of the audience by screaming at them. Of course, 'the divas' were actually just singing and projecting, not screeching.
Even modern 'belters' like Christina and Jessie J are incredibly annoying to listen to. Just because one CAN 'do it all' doesn't mean one has to do it all at once.”
“Exactly. Same could be said of Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan etc. In fact, so many massive 60s/70s/80s stars had very simple-sounding music, but it was AMAZING.
It seems to be that ever since 'the divas' came along; Whitney, Mariah, Celine; that it has become fashionable to try and assault the senses of the audience by screaming at them. Of course, 'the divas' were actually just singing and projecting, not screeching.
Even modern 'belters' like Christina and Jessie J are incredibly annoying to listen to. Just because one CAN 'do it all' doesn't mean one has to do it all at once.”
Agree and practice what I preach. In this link is a cover of Mariah Care Dreamlover with whistle notes http://www.bandmix.com/amygreen-vocalist/ which is what I *can* do. I love and respect Mariah and her amazing pipes,but there is a time and place for it. Covering her songs is that time for me. Notice the rest of the tracks, in which I *don't* do what I *can*...because *can* doesn't always mean *should*
Originally Posted by Liam_Henderson:
“Niall Sexton is the only person so far who hasn't oversang and kept it pure”
“Niall Sexton is the only person so far who hasn't oversang and kept it pure”
Niall did sing well,and without "oversinging",but was not the only one shown who did, or even the one most in tune. Granted,some of the best auditions have been/will likely be cut or cut short in order for the show to be less obvious in lacking credibility as they sent a few of the most vocally gifted and talented artists home, so, unless you look them up, you would not know it from watching the main show.
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