i really can't take to these 3, nor do i know which one i dislike most.

Kevin...overdoes everything from his dancing to his way over the top celebration on learning this years partner.

Joanne.....loves the Camera, loves herself.

Karen...just don't like her and i'm not even sure why.

Aw, IMO Jo is fantastic. When she didn't get a partner last year, there was no sulking or attitude, she just got on with her job and was a real asset standing in for Karen on Choreography Corner. She's in my top three current female pros for sure, along with Natalie and Oti. (No offence to the others, especially the new pros who we don't know yet...)

For me Kevin and Karen are as valuable as big characters as they are as dancers. The Cliftons generally bring a great deal to the show.

Never been able to understand the Jordans' dislike of them, or the forum's targetting of them.

^^^ This.

With the added observation that Karen is always very gracious when she's paired with a duffer rather than getting all mardy about it. (I can think of some other pros over the years who weren't quite as gracious.) In fact, she had great partnerships with her less able partners. I admire that in Karen, and in Natalie, too.

I completely agree. I think all 3 are a huge positive part of the show. Their celebs love them, even years later they keep in touch. All 3 have their own positive qualities, IMO one of the most important is, that they make the experience fun and amazing for their celebs.

And it seems to be fine to have other married couples on the show, but somehow it's a 'Clifton show' with Kevin, Jo and Karen.

Yep - agree with this. She had a great relationship with Dave Myers and he always seemed to enjoy himself although I'm sure both of them knew he wouldn't win. Same with Jeremy Vine last year.

Glad she's got a contender this year.

Whilst I do find Kevin's faster dances rather too frenetic at times, I could not disagree with any of that

Totally agree, could understand some resentment if jo was brought on the show and she was just a run of the mill or mediocre professional dancer but she joined the show after just winning the World Showdance Ballroom and her ability as a dancer is obvious. If they were all about themselves howcome all their previous partners keep in touch - Jeremy and his family have become real friends, Frankie was tweeting support as was Scott and Harry Judd - they must be doing something right

AJ who is from another dancing family has a brother Curtis who is in Burn The Floor - if he turns up at some point I doubt AJ would get the flack the Cliftons are

These Clifton threads - pro and anti - are becoming seriously repetitive. Can we stop now, please? Pretty please?

I am in total agreement with you.
We should be supporting home grown talent and they all come over as genuinely supportive, friendly and imho very likeable.

Oh dear...

This again.

well said

I will never understand the dislike and contempt the Jordans have for them either - they all seem like lovely people

I agree with you too. The first year Jo was on the show she had a duffer, last year no partner at all, that is hardly being 'favoured' ! I am glad she has Ore this year and I hope she does really well with him. Karen too , as you say has been amazing with the less talented celebs. She too deserves her chance and although I would have preferred Jo for Will I think Karen may well be better for him as she will keep it fun and relaxed. Kevin is a perfectly decent man too, he is very enthusiastic and can be a bit hyper but that's just his style.
There are quite a few married couples now, it's nice that it is becoming more of a family affair. Perhaps it will stop some of the media nonsense - well maybe!

i don't mind Karen but i don't like Kevin or Joanne.

I totally agree. At least do a Terry and resurrect an old thread ....


.....OMG, I didn't really say that, did I?

Didn't take to Karen in her first year at all and felt she did Nicky Byrne a disservice. However, with her graciousness and good-natured attitude to less able celebs since she has gradually grown on me.

To be honest, I find Jo quite annoying as a person but that takes nothing away from her credentials as a dancer and expert - she deserves her place on the show.

Never had a problem with Kevin...(runs and hides!)

Oh, another Clifton bashing thread. How original.
*yawns*


I don't know bendymixer, hell hath no fury like DS posters with a grudge to bear...

I have no idea where all the venom comes from and am really uncomfortable about it.

another James Jordan fan thread (anti-Cliftons)! zzzzzz!

I get the impression that some people feel the Cliftons are "taking over" because there are 3 of them............

could also possibly have something to do with Kevin have 4 contenders in 4 years...........

tbh I have no clue!

I like them and, like you, I have no idea where the venom comes from or why

I find Kevin a bit "full on" at times but hey, *shrug* thats Kevin

Since we're talking about Cliftons, Karen and Kevin were on Mr & Mrs All Stars, snd they were so funny.


http://youtu.be/atQ9HilBcAQ

This ^^

I don't like Kevin, his dancing is just too frenetic and overstated and his enthusiasm is too full on for me, when he is in full flow he gives me indigestion Karen is very similar in her over exuberance too which I find off putting though I think they are probably very nice people IRL and probably great fun so I have nothing against them other than I just do not enjoy them on the show.
Jo sems Ok to me and her enthusiasm seems pretty normal and she is far more likeable and a better dancer than Karen and Kevin imo.
Also I do think it time that Kevin got a duffer, 4 competent celebs in a row seems a tad unfair and I would like to see him gone before the final just so I can enjoy a Kevin free zone for once.

Totally agree!!! Joanne is yukky

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