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EastEnders - Great episode, but unrealistic storyline?
Would you really get 4 young British lads in this day and age behaving the same way these 4 'gangsters' were tonight?
Yes, hate crime still happens, however all of this fuss, including the death of a gay man just seems bizarre and unrealistic to me. It's not a very positive message to put out to the gay community either in my opinion. Am I being naive, or is this storyline a bit silly? |
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I think they've gone too far with them killing Paul, it would have been more realistic to have them just beat him up and maybe ended up in a coma or something.
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Well them 4 guys I am pretty sure Jay and Ben could of beat them up 4 vs 2. No way could they of got them both into the van without nobody noticing and also lock Phil up in a closet and none of them had any hit marks on there face or anything. It is like Ben and Jay wanted to be kidknapped? Also the massive rumours of Grant dying, if this is how he dies it is really poor at least get guys who look like gangsters to kill him.
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As per usual with soaps, good subject to deal with but poorly scripted and cast (as usual with Eastenders). Its all been rushed. Just like there teen gang/stabbing storylines.
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Well them 4 guys I am pretty sure Jay and Ben could of beat them up 4 vs 2. No way could they of got them both into the van without nobody noticing and also lock Phil up in a closet and none of them had any hit marks on there face or anything. It is like Ben and Jay wanted to be kidknapped? Also the massive rumours of Grant dying, if this is how he dies it is really poor at least get guys who look like gangsters to kill him.
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I take it people don't remember the 16 years olds who were perfectly capable of killing Gary Newlove
![]() It's perfectly feasible that a drunken fight could lead to a death. |
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I think they've gone too far with them killing Paul, it would have been more realistic to have them just beat him up and maybe ended up in a coma or something.
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It's just been done poorly really. You'd think it was still the 90's the way it is being written.
People have been killed on nights out. I'm looking forward too seeing Grant taking them apart
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Would you really get 4 young British lads in this day and age behaving the same way these 4 'gangsters' were tonight?
Yes, hate crime still happens, however all of this fuss, including the death of a gay man just seems bizarre and unrealistic to me. It's not a very positive message to put out to the gay community either in my opinion. Am I being naive, or is this storyline a bit silly? |
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I take it people don't remember the 16 years olds who were perfectly capable of killing Gary Newlove
![]() It's perfectly feasible that a drunken fight could lead to a death. I hate to say this as its going to sound so offensive but I get the impression so many on these type of sites don't spend too much time in the real world to see whats really going on. I dont wish to cause a row with this statement but its true. |
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None of it makes any sense, it's just soapy rubbish - which is actually quite offensive given the very serious nature of the storyline. Has any research been done as to why homophobes commit acts like this? What drives them to it, what were their backgrounds, what what was going through their minds before, during and after? Such research would inform the writing and therefore make it more credible. There's a similar but less severe storyline going on in Pobol y Cwm right now and that too is total crap.
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None of it makes any sense, it's just soapy rubbish - which is actually quite offensive given the very serious nature of the storyline. Has any research been done as to why homophobes commit acts like this? What drives them to it, what were their backgrounds, what what was going through their minds before, during and after? Such research would inform the writing and therefore make it more credible. There's a similar but less severe storyline going on in Pobol y Cwm right now and that too is total crap.
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EastEnders cannot write 'gangsters' any more. All of their efforts to do so in the last 10+ years have been hilariously bad.
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Are Paul's killer/s really gangsters though? I thought they were just 1D rejects.
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Are Paul's killer/s really gangsters though? I thought they were just 1D rejects.
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That was hilariously bad, I watch eastenders for the comedy these days. We had a right laugh, those gangsters were as scary as a bag of kittens and bens scrunched face trying to look all hard. Comedy gold
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That was hilariously bad, I watch eastenders for the comedy these days. We had a right laugh, those gangsters were as scary as a bag of kittens and bens scrunched face trying to look all hard. Comedy gold
A polish man was murdered only the other day by a few youngsters. It happens. Tbh I think that these guys showed well how people can be so seemingly unthreatening until it's too late. It's perfectly feasible that 4 men can kill someone. |
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The blokes weren't gangsters. They were 4 homophobic youths who beat a young man to death because he was gay.
A polish man was murdered only the other day by a few youngsters. It happens. Tbh I think that these guys showed well how people can be so seemingly unthreatening until it's too late. It's perfectly feasible that 4 men can kill someone. |
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I was amazed they managed to beat Phil and lock him up under the stairs. I know Phil is supposed to be ill but Phil of old would have took them on no problem and would have probably won hands down. I guess Phil's not the tough guy he once was.
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The blokes weren't gangsters. They were 4 homophobic youths who beat a young man to death because he was gay.
A polish man was murdered only the other day by a few youngsters. It happens. Tbh I think that these guys showed well how people can be so seemingly unthreatening until it's too late. It's perfectly feasible that 4 men can kill someone. |
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I think there are quite a few weaknesses in this particular storyline, but specifically tonight's ep for me fell down with the ridiculous rip-off of Taken initially and poor casting and or lines/lack of, for the kidnappers.
Having Grant's character recycle eight year old movie lines was deeply frustrating. Handled in a different way that beat/scene could have been much more interesting. If you are going to so obviously reference Taken, then do it with humour, have Courtney pull Grant up for it NOT being Taken, rather than play it straight as a direct parallel and make us feel like idiots while watching it. In terms of casting, there is no getting away from it, the four stooges that supposedly beat Ben, Jay and Phil up before kidnapping the first two, didn't look capable of punching their way out of a wet paper bag. Some of the problem here is that the action is all offscreen so as viewers we are not able to make an informed judgement on capability, but the lack of menace or believability coming from the group when they were onscreen, was obvious. |
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They're not supposed to be gangsters just homophobic idiots
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I find he initial crime, beating Paul so badly that he died horribly believable. Homophobic attacks do still happen quite frequently and it can be all too easy to kill somebody in a fight, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Where i think they have taken it too far, as they always do, is in having them break into the House, take Ben and Jay plus hitting Phil and seemingly be happy to kill them as well. And why? Because Ben is a witness apparently. But now so is Phil, he saw their faces so are they going to come back for him as well? |
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I find he initial crime, beating Paul so badly that he died horribly believable. Homophobic attacks do still happen quite frequently and it can be all too easy to kill somebody in a fight, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Where i think they have taken it too far, as they always do, is in having them break into the House, take Ben and Jay plus hitting Phil and seemingly be happy to kill them as well. And why? Because Ben is a witness apparently. But now so is Phil, he saw their faces so are they going to come back for him as well? |
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The death of a gay man
Sadly this happens still, even in this day and age. Not a positive message to send to the Gay community As a gay man, I don't want to be patronised and patted on the head and told "everything's ok" Sure things are better than what they were, but when young LGBT are bullied at school, a gay couple beaten coming home from a night out, lesbians being threatened with mutilation and men being thrown from rooftops, homophobia needs to be highlighted. It's still very much part of the present day. The kidnapping. Yes completely unrealistic. And in broad daylight aswell. I mean come on. The Grant Mitchell "Taken" parody was just utter cringe aswell. This particular storyline originated in a very harrowing, yet realistic and well written story of homophobia culminating in the tragic death of a young man. Unfortunately, as is the case with EastEnders all too frequently, they need to go one step further by having Ben kidnapped by the murderers. The same people who don't want to be identified as Paul's killers, but yet think nothing of breaking into a house, assaulting and kidnapping three men, all in broad day light. |
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