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Old 08-09-2016, 10:34
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It does, by definition.

If somebody has an aversion to seeing a gay couple kiss that would suggest they have a problem with homosexuality in general. People complained not because they are averse to seeing passionate kissing, they complained specifically because it involved a gay couple. That is homophobia.
Your last two sentences make sense but your first two don't. Most people have an aversion to the thought of their parents having sex, but if they hadn't, none of us would be here!
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:35
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Your last two sentences make sense but your first two don't. Most people have an aversion to the thought of their parents having sex, but if they hadn't, none of us would be here!
It's the fact that people have singled out a gay couple which makes it homophobic. There were complaints because it was two men kissing, not because people were offended by the kissing itself. There were no complaints about similar scenes between straight couples, for example.

Sorry, I should have made that clearer in my post.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:40
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The definiton of homophobia is: a dislike of or prejudice towards gay people.

If a person objects to a gay couple kissing but not a straight couple that is homophobic.

You may think that's stupid but it's the truth.
Its not the truth.
I'm not homophobic but I don't take any enjoyment from seeing gay people kissing on screen. Come to think of it, I don't take much pleasure in seeing straight people kissing either.

You really need to learn what a homophobe is
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:42
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Its not the truth.
I'm not homophobic but I don't take any enjoyment from seeing gay people kissing on screen. Come to think of it, I don't take much pleasure in seeing straight people kissing either.

You really need to learn what a homophobe is
No one is asking you or anyone to take enjoyment from it Just to accept that gay people exist and not kick up a huge fuss every time there's a gay kiss on tv. The people who complained about this were offended by the fact it was a gay couple kissing. They singled out the fact they were gay as the reason for their objection. It's homophobic whether you believe that or not.

I know what a homophobe is, thank you. I come across them every day. Gay people see casual homophobia everywhere even if straight people (even very well-meaning ones) can't see it. If you've never been afraid to hold your partner's hand or kiss your partner in public I would suggest you don't understand the extent to which homophobia is still rife in 21st Century Britain. So I don't need you to lecture me on what is and what isn't homophobic.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:51
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I'm sure there are people that don't particularly want to see Phelan and Eileen kissing but I doubt they would complain to Ofcom or write nasty comments on twitter. No matter how you try to spin it many of the tweets I've seen were straight out homophobic and those people should absolutely be called out on that.
The fact that two fully clothed men had a bit of a snog on a bed garnered 170 complaints at all is not only sad but it's wrong and I'm so glad that common sense prevailed and Ofcom has quite rightly rejected them.
It's heartwarming however that so many people have defended Corrie and praised the storyline and the performances of Bruno and Daniel (that scene between Todd and Billy last night was particularly beautiful) and it gives me hope that we on large are a tolerant and loving society.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:01
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No one is asking you or anyone to take enjoyment from it Just to accept that gay people exist and not kick up a huge fuss every time there's a gay kiss on tv. The people who complained about this were offended by the fact it was a gay couple kissing. They singled out the fact they were gay as the reason for their objection. It's homophobic whether you believe that or not.

I know what a homophobe is, thank you. I come across them every day. Gay people see casual homophobia everywhere even if straight people (even very well-meaning ones) can't see it. If you've never been afraid to hold your partner's hand or kiss your partner in public I would suggest you don't understand the extent to which homophobia is still rife in 21st Century Britain. So I don't need you to lecture me on what is and what isn't homophobic.
So you feel its OK to brand everybody who doesn't want to see gay couples kissing on screen as homophobes?????
I didn't kick up a fuss over this. Nor do I feel the need NOT to express my opinion as risk of offending some people. Some people are simply looking for reasons to be offended.
If I was to have a strong opinion about this, it would be about CS feeling the need to go down this route in order to invoke a reaction. This is how poor Coronation Street has become.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:02
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It's not controversy, bigotry is the word they are looking for.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:05
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So you feel its OK to brand everybody who doesn't want to see gay couples kissing on screen as homophobes?????
Well, yes.

If they object to gay couples kissing (but not straight couples) they are homophobic. It really is as simple as that.


Some people are simply looking for reasons to be offended.
We really aren't. But it's hard not to be offended by people who say your very existence is 'disgusting' and 'unsafe' for pre-watershed viewing (not that you have said this, but it has been said in this very thread).
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:07
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I wonder do we only hear about the complaints to Ofcom that will invoke strong feelings and cause controversy or do we hear about all of them equally, who is responsible for passing the relevant information to the media is it Ofcom or whoever the complaint is about?
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:10
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No one is asking you or anyone to take enjoyment from it Just to accept that gay people exist and not kick up a huge fuss every time there's a gay kiss on tv. The people who complained about this were offended by the fact it was a gay couple kissing. They singled out the fact they were gay as the reason for their objection. It's homophobic whether you believe that or not.

I know what a homophobe is, thank you. I come across them every day. Gay people see casual homophobia everywhere even if straight people (even very well-meaning ones) can't see it. If you've never been afraid to hold your partner's hand or kiss your partner in public I would suggest you don't understand the extent to which homophobia is still rife in 21st Century Britain. So I don't need you to lecture me on what is and what isn't homophobic.
I don't need you to tell me to accept that gay people exist, thank you.
Some of my best friends going back almost 35 years are gay.
I'm not homophobic and my views of what I want, or not want, to see on a soap do not chang e that.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:12
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Well, yes.

If they object to gay couples kissing (but not straight couples) they are homophobic. It really is as simple as that.




We really aren't. But it's hard not to be offended by people who say your very existence is 'disgusting' and 'unsafe' for pre-watershed viewing (not that you have said this, but it has been said in this very thread).
You really couldnt be more wrong if you tried.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:14
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I don't need you to tell me to accept that gay people exist, thank you.
Some of my best friends going back almost 35 years are gay.
I'm not homophobic and my views of what I want, or not want, to see on a soap do not chang e that.
The old classic.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:15
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Some of my best friends going back almost 35 years are gay.
Well done. Here's your medal.


You really couldnt be more wrong if you tried.
You accept that the definition of homophobia is prejudice towards gay people, yes?

So how is it not homophobic to object to a gay couple kissing but not a straight couple? Please explain how that is not homophobic.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:29
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The old classic.
The old ones are the best

What do want me to say? Deny that I have gay friends?

Its no worse than this persecution complex that some people have.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:31
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Its no worse than this persecution complex that some people have.
What a disgusting comment. And how revealing it is!

Gay people have been persecuted for their sexuality throughout history, and are still beaten up and murdered all over the world every single day.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:33
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It's the fact that people have singled out a gay couple which makes it homophobic. There were complaints because it was two men kissing, not because people were offended by the kissing itself. There were no complaints about similar scenes between straight couples, for example.

Sorry, I should have made that clearer in my post.
Thanks for the clarification. Yes I agree with this.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:36
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Well done. Here's your medal.




You accept that the definition of homophobia is prejudice towards gay people, yes?

So how is it not homophobic to object to a gay couple kissing but not a straight couple? Please explain how that is not homophobic.
Perhaps you could explain how someone who doesn't want to see gay kissing on a soap makers them homophobic.
As I already stated, I wouldn't usually want to see straight people kissing either.

Tbh, I'm done here. If you can't accept that were not all homophobic, then there's nothing more to be said.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:43
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Perhaps you could explain how someone who doesn't want to see gay kissing on a soap makers them homophobic.
As I already stated, I wouldn't usually want to see straight people kissing either.

Tbh, I'm done here. If you can't accept that were not all homophobic, then there's nothing more to be said.
Maybe you're not homophobic but you seem to have trouble getting your point across and listening to what others have to say. In my view there is nothing homophobic about personally not liking gay kissing on screen, the homophobia exists when that person complains about it and says it shouldn't be shown.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:45
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Perhaps you could explain how someone who doesn't want to see gay kissing on a soap makers them homophobic.
If they object to a gay couple kissing *because they are gay* that makes them homophobic.

You've said you don't really like seeing straight couples kiss either, which is fine. The homophobia comes in when it is suggested that one is somehow more offensive that the other. I haven't suggested that you personally are a homophobe (and I couldn't care less if you were) but if you make it known that you are more offended by gay kissing than straight kissing then you will be open to accusations of homophobia.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:47
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I'm sorry but why should I have to waste my breath 'countering with good well chosen words' when someone has described gay people as not normal? There are plenty of posts on here and elsewhere I will happily respond to with a reasoned argument but blatant hate speech has no place on this board.
How else are you going to shine a light on what's going on that may effect our day to day lives. Maybe we have the residents from coronation st syndrome of sweeping unsavory stuff under the carpet and it doesn't exist if it's not seen. Let's get it out in the open and know what we're up against. Use your reasoned argument, your clever enough. Don't let it go underground. Keep the light on it. That's all I'm asking you to do.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:47
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Just a thought but maybe the issue of whether someone is a bigot or homophobic may not be as clear cut as has been said on this thread.

Some people may feel their are ok with homosexuality. They may feel they don't have an issue with it. But in reality they don't really come across any or many gay people in their day to day lives. So when they see scenes like the ones we've seen on Corrie, they may have felt taken aback and shocked. Maybe it is a shocking thing for people to see two men kissing in Corrie.

I've had lots of contact with gay people socially, non socially and some have been friends but a few years ago when I was in London, I saw two blokes walking along holding hands. Nothing wrong in that but it made me think maybe some people would find it shocking. There maybe many people who in theory are very accepting of gay people but faced with the reality may be shocked.

Is that homophobic?
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:50
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Just a thought but maybe the issue of whether someone is a bigot or homophobic may not be as clear cut as has been said on this thread.

Some people may feel their are ok with homosexuality. They may feel they don't have an issue with it. But in reality they don't really come across any or many gay people in their day to day lives. So when they see scenes like the ones we've seen on Corrie, they may have felt taken aback and shocked. Maybe it is a shocking thing for people to see two men kissing in Corrie.

I've had lots of contact with gay people socially, non socially and some have been friends but a few years ago when I was in London, I saw two blokes walking along holding hands. Nothing wrong in that but it made me think maybe some people would find it shocking. There maybe many people who in theory are very accepting of gay people but faced with the reality may be shocked.

Is that homophobic?
Yes and it's worse because it makes excuses for them.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:55
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There maybe many people who in theory are very accepting of gay people but faced with the reality may be shocked.

Is that homophobic?
No, but it's not a reason to censor homosexuality either. If more people are exposed to homosexual couples through the medium of soaps, which have been used to tackle a number of social taboos, then it will become 'normalised' and one day nobody will be shocked when they see a gay couple holding hands, or whatever.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:55
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How else are you going to shine a light on what's going on that may effect our day to day lives. Maybe we have the residents from coronation st syndrome of sweeping unsavory stuff under the carpet and it doesn't exist if it's not seen. Let's get it out in the open and know what we're up against. Use your reasoned argument, your clever enough. Don't let it go underground. Keep the light on it. That's all I'm asking you to do.
I don't need someone to shine a light on homophobia in the way that Penelope has done on this thread. I'm sorry but I really don't. I know homophobia exists and that I can't kiss another woman on the street without being subjected to the ugliness that some other humans respond to that with. Gradually those ugly views and words start to break you down and people need to understand that they won't be tolerated. If the only protest I can perform here is reporting her and encouraging others to do the same then it won't be for nothing, IMO. We all deal with abuse differently.
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Old 08-09-2016, 12:18
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No, but it's not a reason to censor homosexuality either. If more people are exposed to homosexual couples through the medium of soaps, which have been used to tackle a number of social taboos, then it will become 'normalised' and one day nobody will be shocked when they see a gay couple holding hands, or whatever.
Yes. I tend to agree with you. Didn't EE do the first gay kiss? Things have moved on since then. Although, nothing should be overdone for the sake of it.

And let's not forget Corrie have a habit of crappy sex/kissing scenes. Eva and Aidan's scene in the factory was crass and heavy-handed. Oh look, here's sexy blonde Eva, with her big tits seducing Aidan. They're going to have sex in the factory! Ooh, missus. Then we have the Corrie we're off to have sex, giggle and run up the stairs.

Todd and Billy's scenes were much better.

More thoughts - Robert and Aaron in ED don't they have similar scenes? Doesn't Ben Mitchell also have similar scenes in EE? Maria found Todd and Marcus in flagrante delicto. Have any of these been the cause of reports to Ofcom or such shock etc...
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