I think one or two of Ben and Paul's scenes in EE did attract some complaints, as did Johnny's kiss with Danny a couple of years ago.

Not sure about Emmerdale but don't they tend to be a bit more 'conservative' with showing kissing?

Hollyoaks viewers would probably complain if an episode DIDN'T include some gay kissing.

No, it really doesn't

Edit. I have read on through the thread.

It is not black and white. According to Bass I am a homophobe because two men kissing does nothing for me. Well I am sorry for not being bisexual.

I have absolutely no objection whatsoever to two men kissing. But I don't want to watch it on tv cos I am straight and would rather see a man and a woman kissing ( I am in the rather not see it at all camp)

Someone likened it to porn. You wouldnt watch two men have sex if it did nothing for you sexually so by Bass's definition most people are homophobes.

The tweets were trying their best to be offensive and homophobic there is no doubt there but to call someone a homophobe because they prefer to watch people of the same sexuality as them homophobes is just bizarre

Some posters here would have a heart attack if they watched an episode of HO

STOP Labelling people - isn't this the problem !!!

Ahh yes. The old classic "i am not homophobic but i won't have them kissing in front of me" bollocks

But if you were to change that to

"i'm not racist but i won't have my children being friends with anyone who isn't white"

there would be uproar.

Bib. Yes if they dislike only gay people kissing as if they would not object to straight couples kissing them that's homophobic

I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. It's a double standard.

If you dislike seeing all forms of kissing or anyone in a sexually explicit scene that'd fine but that's a different issue. The issue is arising solely because people are only making their disgust known because it was a gay couple.

I have to admit the JP and James scenes are far hotter than the Billy and todd ones the other day

Agree.

It's quite ironic that at times like this the forum is way more entertaining than the actual soaps we are supposed to be discussing.

That's interesting. I'm sure I must have seen some gay kissing in EE and ED but I don't remember them particularly. I do remember Sophie and Sian having a good snog in Corrie and that lesbians kissing in soaps was a relatively new thing. I'm not sure people minded that. Although I think Sonia had a lesbian relationship in EE before that and people thought it was yuk. I'm inclined to think that that two fairly attractive young girls having a good snog wasn't as offensive to some people as other gay/lesbian kissing, as in two older gay men having a good snog.



Maybe that says a lot about the different expectations soap audiences.

They are not comparative.

Try I wouldnt let my daughter kiss a white man in front of me for better comparison

That actually does happen too!

I don't really give a shit who kisses who as long as it is a decent story and fits within that.

I wouldnt complain its a fictional programme!

I never saw anyone on the thread say they didnt want them kissing in front of them.

People are allowed opinions and choices.

My opinion is as above who cares who kisses who.

My preference (and my choice if I had it) is to see people of the same sexual preferences as me kiss.

Just the same as I am sure you prefer to see two men kiss over a man and a woman. But then no one is trying to label you in a nasty way

Marcus and Todd certainly was and OFCOM found in favour of Corrie because there had been equivalent scenes between heterosexual couples in the same time period which hadn't been complained about and to rule against the Gay scene would have been discriminatory. They also found that none of the scenes broke the watershed guidelines.

It is that example that gives weight to the argument that people only complain about the gay scenes, not the straight ones so there must be an element of homophobia behind it.

If people were also complaining to OFCOM about heterosexual 'sex' scenes in Corrie, then it would be an all together different discussion.

I don't know about Emmerdale. I'd imagine that there will have been complaints but that said, Emmerdale have a reputation for being raunchier than Corrie (despite the earlier time slot) so perhaps it has a more tolerant audience? Likewise Hollyoaks.

I imagine Little Monster is referring to this


Not the first time you have made a questionable comment on here about gay characters. I recall an offensive remark about Paul in EastEnders a few weeks ago which you backtracked on and labelled as a joke when called out on it.

I don't remember that at all so you better link to it. I don't like the character of paul and made lots of jokes about him. In fact 99% of my posts about him were in humour.

Which bit of my explanation are you not getting. I have no sexual interest in gay men kissing so yes I prefer to watch a man and woman kiss.

At NO point whatsoever have I said I object to two men kissing. Because I dont have any objections whatsoever at all. So stop trying to label me as something I am not 😠😠😠

BIB, There is no saying they don't get complaints, but I suspect they are not as news worthy so the media does not pick up on them so readily, the scenes in this case were all about grabbing attention and the complaints were news worthy because they are considered controversial so the media picked up on and ran with them and it worked it's got people talking about Corrie and they get praise for airing the scene which was just a few minutes out of the usual 30 minutes so job done as far as Corrie are concerned.

You said something about how you wished EastEnders had shown Paul being beaten to death by his attackers so you could cheer them on, his murder was homophobic so how else was that remark meant to be taken? it seems to me you say offensive things then hide behind the humour tag to cover yourself.

Its still offensive and very questionable.

It's not the first offensive remark i have seen from soap lea. She made a remark about same sex couples kissing on television last year.

They are not in any way comparable scenarios. And you've changed the scenario in that people have been called bigots on here, but not because they 'won't have them kissing in front of me'. You've made that bit up.

I pretty much gave up on Corrie a while ago so didn't see the scene 'live', but it was being discussed on The Wright Stuff this morning so I learnt that the Todd/Billy bed scene lasted 33 seconds, which is actually an unusually long time. Maybe I'm watching the wrong/right soap but I don't recall any of them showing a passionate hetero snog/makeout session going on for 33 seconds?

This suggests to me that Corrie, (knowing that a tiny minority would object and the press would jump on it), were simply trying to garner publicity and get people talking about them, rather than anything else.

Trouble is, one thing's for sure imo - threads like this one, which I've just read through, inevitably descend into nastiness by enough posters to leave a sour taste, as they always do, and serve only to entrench people's existing opinions. Frankly, they show neither 'side' in a very good light.

whether it is kissing directly in front of you or on your television, it is the same thing. Let's not try to sugarcoat this situation. But people like to when it comes to homophobia.

This thread is now becoming a witch-hunt, we need some torchlight and pitchfork smileys to give it the proper atmosphere.

Difficult conversations? Why?



I must have missed it! Damn.

Who is being 'witch-hunted'?

As long as it's not you, you have nothing to worry about.

Sounds perfectly logical to me and so do your following comments. I said earlier that perhaps people who didn't consider themselves homophobic were quite simply shocked to see the Todd and Billy scenes. Now however, I think that anyone with any common sense should be able to consider similar scenes with heterosexuals and conclude that the scene/s weren't offensive. Of course some people who complain will most certainly be homophobic but there is a case for saying some of the people are perhaps ignorant or have a knee-jerk reaction without considering the issue fully.

Corrie is different to EE and ED, mostly because it's stuck in the past and seems to try to cling on to it. It's possible that this makes it an anathema to some viewers to see gay kisses. There's something quite jarring and anachronistic with Corrie's love of 70's themes and clinging to the past set alongside a scene from society in 2016. Corrie may have to shoulder some of the responsibilty.