Rain, I couldn't agree more!
Coronation Street causes controversy with Todd and Billy scenes
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Originally Posted by tuppencehapenny:
“You may not be hysterical but you're certainly patronising.”
“You may not be hysterical but you're certainly patronising.”
And the poster who insisted she wasn't homophobic but said she was sick of seeing "OTT camp gay men" on tv wasn't?
Originally Posted by Rain:
“Those saying they just wouldn't want to see the same from a man and a woman either, well they're are mostly sugar coating what they really think, it shows
The FB comments I looked through are just plain cruel
Good for Daniel Brocklbank for standing up to the harsh words”
“Those saying they just wouldn't want to see the same from a man and a woman either, well they're are mostly sugar coating what they really think, it shows
The FB comments I looked through are just plain cruel
Good for Daniel Brocklbank for standing up to the harsh words”
Well neither bother me. I don't see they are necessary for a pre watershed soap, but they don't upset me either.
I just think there has to be equality about it. Either both are acceptable, or neither are.
This is going back a long time but the 'Viewers and Listeners Association' chaired by Mary Whitehouse did used to complain about everything, including straight sex scenes, even after the watershed.
So, I'm not sure that they would have been disguising their homophobic (though they probably were as well) - they were arguably just Prudes who didn't want any Sex on TV at all.
Which is a different issue really.
It is hard to mistake the intent or feeling behind comments like "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" though.
I'm gay, but I don't get offended by straight couples kissing. Therefore, why should a straight person be offended by a gay couple kissing?
Originally Posted by Kevin1960:
“I'm gay, but I don't get offended by straight couples kissing. Therefore, why should a straight person be offended by a gay couple kissing?”
“I'm gay, but I don't get offended by straight couples kissing. Therefore, why should a straight person be offended by a gay couple kissing?”
Exactly.
There is no difference.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“.....................I keep seeing this SAME word come up time and time again when talking about the people who don't want to see gay men kissing. BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT
Do the hand wringing PC brigade on here actually know the meaning of the word?
Bigot:
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself:
So in actual fact, the ones attacking the people for not wanting to see men kissing are the bigots....................”
“.....................I keep seeing this SAME word come up time and time again when talking about the people who don't want to see gay men kissing. BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT
Do the hand wringing PC brigade on here actually know the meaning of the word?
Bigot:
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself:
So in actual fact, the ones attacking the people for not wanting to see men kissing are the bigots....................”
I totally agree, but I've given up pointing it out. Unfortunately, a few people have decided that "bigot" means "anyone who disagrees with me", and if you point out that it doesn't, use the idiotic argument that "language changes".
I think the best approach is to just ignore any posts misusing the word; if they're that stupid there's not really any point in arguing with them.
Originally Posted by Rain:
“It's hundreds of people actually if not more.
If some are a joke, i dont care, still mean and spurring others on to be mean”
“It's hundreds of people actually if not more.
If some are a joke, i dont care, still mean and spurring others on to be mean”
I went to bed. just read through the thread. I think Jane raised some good points. the thread has become a bit extreme calling people names.
I could only go on the article and like I just posted on TTNT it was more the patheticness of the article and the tweets seemed like they were trying hard to be offensive for the sake of it more than anything else.
thats what I laughed at.
I wasn't laughng at the mean intent of others.
It shouldn't really matter what sex the people are that are kissing. There was nothing to complain about in my opinon other than posibbly the vicars dodgy morals
Personally I would rather see a man and a woman kiss over two men or two women but that is cos I am straight
but the tv has to cater for everyone and so I am sure the gay people don't want to see the straights kiss and vice versa. but it should be normal and absolutely nothing to complain about. esp this day in age
Corrie knew exactly what they were doing with this scene
By their standards, it was very racy as most kissing scenes don't happen in the bedroom with one person mounted on top of the other.
In fact, I just wish they would give us more bedroom scenes. We rarely see couples waking up together and having some pillow talk. It all feels too "prim and proper" and not very natural.
By their standards, it was very racy as most kissing scenes don't happen in the bedroom with one person mounted on top of the other.
In fact, I just wish they would give us more bedroom scenes. We rarely see couples waking up together and having some pillow talk. It all feels too "prim and proper" and not very natural.
Originally Posted by jsmith99:
“I totally agree, but I've given up pointing it out. Unfortunately, a few people have decided that "bigot" means "anyone who disagrees with me", and if you point out that it doesn't, use the idiotic argument that "language changes".
I think the best approach is to just ignore any posts misusing the word; if they're that stupid there's not really any point in arguing with them.”
“I totally agree, but I've given up pointing it out. Unfortunately, a few people have decided that "bigot" means "anyone who disagrees with me", and if you point out that it doesn't, use the idiotic argument that "language changes".
I think the best approach is to just ignore any posts misusing the word; if they're that stupid there's not really any point in arguing with them.”
So people make homophobic statements but people can't challenge those statements. Sorry but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from challenging thst speech.
In any case referring to people stupid is a pretty childish argument.
Also it's hilarious when bigots act like they're the ones being oppressed
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“So people make homophobic statements but people can't challenge those statements. Sorry but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from challenging thst speech.
In any case referring to people stupid is a pretty childish argument.
Also it's hilarious when bigots act like they're the ones being oppressed”
“So people make homophobic statements but people can't challenge those statements. Sorry but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from challenging thst speech.
In any case referring to people stupid is a pretty childish argument.
Also it's hilarious when bigots act like they're the ones being oppressed
”
Absolutely. You've summed up it perfectly sorcha.
Telling somebody you think their opinion is hateful is not being "intolerant" of their right to speak freely. Free speech works both ways.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“Most people aren't like this: I certainly am not, and I have nothing against gays; but like many people, I just don't want to see gay people getting intimate with each other. I can't help the way I feel, and neither can anyone else, so people need to can it, and accept that people have different opinions to them!
I bet if someone gay spouted that they didn't like seeing hetero's snogging, no-one would care. But God forbid you say even the slightest thing about gays. Especially on here.”
“Most people aren't like this: I certainly am not, and I have nothing against gays; but like many people, I just don't want to see gay people getting intimate with each other. I can't help the way I feel, and neither can anyone else, so people need to can it, and accept that people have different opinions to them!
I bet if someone gay spouted that they didn't like seeing hetero's snogging, no-one would care. But God forbid you say even the slightest thing about gays. Especially on here.”
That's because no-one ever WOULD say that. Heterosexual sex is, always has been and always will be the accepted norm. Whilst a good few people may well say 'tut, tut, too raunchy for me whilst I'm having my dinner', far fewer people will pick up their phone and complain about 'too many heteros on my tv'. It's a different thing: where straight is "normal" gay is seen as "different", "new" or even "abnormal".
And I agree with you, to an extent, I don't particularly want to see any soap character, straight or gay, pawing at each other like they're in some softcore porno, but you ruined your own defence by admitting that you don't want to see gay intimacy in particular. Still, I'm gay and wouldn't necessarily call you a bigot. We all tend to characterise each other far too simplistically these days; the world isn't split into 'outright acceptance' and 'bigotry'. There's a lot of grey out there.
Originally Posted by spunger:
“So lets see just where this is going now and in years to come.
In order not to be a homophobe t's no longer enough to accept gay people. You have to actually like watching them have full on kisses. Now I have to justify why I wouldn't like to kiss another man its just a kiss after all. The next step has to be sexual acts. Why not let a gay man perform oral sex on you its just a bj after all. In years to come these extremeists will insist anyone who is not bisexual must be a homophobe. They really are becoming that intolerant narrow minded and extreme. Kind of sad that those who longed for tolerance turn out to be anything but.”
“So lets see just where this is going now and in years to come.
In order not to be a homophobe t's no longer enough to accept gay people. You have to actually like watching them have full on kisses. Now I have to justify why I wouldn't like to kiss another man its just a kiss after all. The next step has to be sexual acts. Why not let a gay man perform oral sex on you its just a bj after all. In years to come these extremeists will insist anyone who is not bisexual must be a homophobe. They really are becoming that intolerant narrow minded and extreme. Kind of sad that those who longed for tolerance turn out to be anything but.”
Very good post.
I find it utterly pathetic and laughable, but at the same time rather depressing that if any straight person DARES to say they don't wanna see gays smooching, they are vile bigoted homophobes. If a gay person said they don't care to see heteros smooching, no-one would say anything about it, THAT's for sure!
This 'high on my soapbox' PC brigade cause far more problems with their sanctimonious and pious sneering at anyone who doesn't live for the gays and rant and rave at how cool it is to have them on telly all the time, than anyone who isn't fond of seeing the PDA's between gays.
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“I just feel sorry for the children born to these horrible people, they'll be raised with closed minds and inherited hatred and ignorance.”
“I just feel sorry for the children born to these horrible people, they'll be raised with closed minds and inherited hatred and ignorance.”
Oh for goodness sake, get a grip. Can you hear yourself? What a patronising condescending post. I feel embarrassed for you. *rollseyes*
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Let's say the Peter and Tina scene had received complaints for being aired pre-watershed. Would it be okay to label anyone who complained as hate filled bigots?
I thought the scene where Billy kissed Todd in the Rovers earlier last night was absolutely fine but the bedroom one with prolonged snogging and discussion of sex was a bit 'full on' for a pre-watershed soap.”
“Let's say the Peter and Tina scene had received complaints for being aired pre-watershed. Would it be okay to label anyone who complained as hate filled bigots?
I thought the scene where Billy kissed Todd in the Rovers earlier last night was absolutely fine but the bedroom one with prolonged snogging and discussion of sex was a bit 'full on' for a pre-watershed soap.”
EXACTLY. It was way too much.
Originally Posted by tuppencehapenny:
“You may not be hysterical but you're certainly patronising.”
“You may not be hysterical but you're certainly patronising.”
Yep, I agree!
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“I went to bed. just read through the thread. I think Jane raised some good points. the thread has become a bit extreme calling people names.
I could only go on the article and like I just posted on TTNT it was more the patheticness of the article and the tweets seemed like they were trying hard to be offensive for the sake of it more than anything else.
thats what I laughed at.
I wasn't laughng at the mean intent of others.
It shouldn't really matter what sex the people are that are kissing. There was nothing to complain about in my opinon other than posibbly the vicars dodgy morals
Personally I would rather see a man and a woman kiss over two men or two women but that is cos I am straight but the tv has to cater for everyone and so I am sure the gay people don't want to see the straights kiss and vice versa. but it should be normal and absolutely nothing to complain about. esp this day in age”
“I went to bed. just read through the thread. I think Jane raised some good points. the thread has become a bit extreme calling people names.
I could only go on the article and like I just posted on TTNT it was more the patheticness of the article and the tweets seemed like they were trying hard to be offensive for the sake of it more than anything else.
thats what I laughed at.
I wasn't laughng at the mean intent of others.
It shouldn't really matter what sex the people are that are kissing. There was nothing to complain about in my opinon other than posibbly the vicars dodgy morals
Personally I would rather see a man and a woman kiss over two men or two women but that is cos I am straight
but the tv has to cater for everyone and so I am sure the gay people don't want to see the straights kiss and vice versa. but it should be normal and absolutely nothing to complain about. esp this day in age”
This ... ^^^ I don't wanna see it and it probably IS coz I am hetero, but God forbid I announce it on here; I get called everything! Vile bigoted nasty etc etc.
And for the record, I have not made any comments on facebook or twitter or anywhere else, OR called people names, all I have said is I don't wanna see 2 men smooching and snogging - or 2 women!
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“So people make homophobic statements but people can't challenge those statements. Sorry but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from challenging thst speech.
In any case referring to people stupid is a pretty childish argument.
Also it's hilarious when bigots act like they're the ones being oppressed”
“So people make homophobic statements but people can't challenge those statements. Sorry but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from challenging thst speech.
In any case referring to people stupid is a pretty childish argument.
Also it's hilarious when bigots act like they're the ones being oppressed
”
YOU and the others on here on your high horse, attacking people for saying they don't wanna see gays kissing, are as much of a bigot as the people you are calling a bigot. I find it both hilarious and tragic that NONE of you can see it, and NONE of you can see how you are coming across on this forum. Basically, you are coming across as a judgemental bigot: the very thing you lambast others for being.
Oh the irony!
Do you not believe gay people have the right to see themselves and their relationships reflected on TV? Gay people exist in the world, gay people pay taxes, they contribute to this society and they have a right to be represented. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact and I'm afraid you're just going to have to deal with it.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“Very good post.
I find it utterly pathetic and laughable, but at the same time rather depressing that if any straight person DARES to say they don't wanna see gays smooching, they are vile bigoted homophobes. If a gay person said they don't care to see heteros smooching, no-one would say anything about it, THAT's for sure!
This 'high on my soapbox' PC brigade cause far more problems with their sanctimonious and pious sneering at anyone who doesn't live for the gays and rant and rave at how cool it is to have them on telly all the time, than anyone who isn't fond of seeing the PDA's between gays.
Oh for goodness sake, get a grip. Can you hear yourself? What a patronising condescending post. I feel embarrassed for you. *rollseyes*
EXACTLY. It was way too much.
Yep, I agree!
This ... ^^^ I don't wanna see it and it probably IS coz I am hetero, but God forbid I announce it on here; I get called everything! Vile bigoted nasty etc etc.
And for the record, I have not made any comments on facebook or twitter or anywhere else, OR called people names, all I have said is I don't wanna see 2 men smooching and snogging - or 2 women!
YOU and the others on here on your high horse, attacking people for saying they don't wanna see gays kissing, are as much of a bigot as the people you are calling a bigot. I find it both hilarious and tragic that NONE of you can see it, and NONE of you can see how you are coming across on this forum. Basically, you are coming across as a judgemental bigot: the very thing you lambast others for being.
Oh the irony!”
“Very good post.
I find it utterly pathetic and laughable, but at the same time rather depressing that if any straight person DARES to say they don't wanna see gays smooching, they are vile bigoted homophobes. If a gay person said they don't care to see heteros smooching, no-one would say anything about it, THAT's for sure!
This 'high on my soapbox' PC brigade cause far more problems with their sanctimonious and pious sneering at anyone who doesn't live for the gays and rant and rave at how cool it is to have them on telly all the time, than anyone who isn't fond of seeing the PDA's between gays.
Oh for goodness sake, get a grip. Can you hear yourself? What a patronising condescending post. I feel embarrassed for you. *rollseyes*
EXACTLY. It was way too much.
Yep, I agree!
This ... ^^^ I don't wanna see it and it probably IS coz I am hetero, but God forbid I announce it on here; I get called everything! Vile bigoted nasty etc etc.
And for the record, I have not made any comments on facebook or twitter or anywhere else, OR called people names, all I have said is I don't wanna see 2 men smooching and snogging - or 2 women!
YOU and the others on here on your high horse, attacking people for saying they don't wanna see gays kissing, are as much of a bigot as the people you are calling a bigot. I find it both hilarious and tragic that NONE of you can see it, and NONE of you can see how you are coming across on this forum. Basically, you are coming across as a judgemental bigot: the very thing you lambast others for being.
Oh the irony!”
Nope
The reason I get on my high horse as you call it is because people who think gay couples kissing on tv disgusting yet you have no issue with straight couples kissing are simply prejudiced.
It's hypocritical. What's pc about applying equality across the board
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Nope
The reason I get on my high horse as you call it is because people who think gay couples kissing on tv disgusting yet have no issue with straight couples kissing are simply prejudiced.
It's hypocritical. What's pc about applying equality across the board”
“Nope
The reason I get on my high horse as you call it is because people who think gay couples kissing on tv disgusting yet have no issue with straight couples kissing are simply prejudiced.
It's hypocritical. What's pc about applying equality across the board”
Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
Yes it does make them bigoted if the reason they don't like it is because of the sexuality of the people kissing.
If you don't apply the same standards to straight people doing the same thing it's prejudiced.
Billy and Todd kissing was the same as Aiden/Maria yet that got no complaints.
My issue with the scene was that it was before the watershed. I would have felt the same even if it was man and woman, girl and girl.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
But if you feel uncomfortable viewing a gay kiss in a way you dont two straight people kissing then you obviously have a problem with gay people.
Also, you were talking about free speech but when people challenge your views they are prejudiced?
Originally Posted by hansue:
“My issue with the scene was that it was before the watershed. I would have felt the same even if it was man and woman, girl and girl.”
“My issue with the scene was that it was before the watershed. I would have felt the same even if it was man and woman, girl and girl.”
I bet you wouldn't.
Funny how people always say they hypothetically would feel the same "if" it just so happened to be a m/f or f/f couple, but it always just so happens to be when it's a m/m couple they actually say it.
Originally Posted by McGillicuddy:
“I bet you wouldn't.
Funny how people always say they hypothetically would feel the same "if" it just so happened to be a m/f or f/f couple, but it always just so happens to be when it's a m/m couple they actually say it.”
“I bet you wouldn't.
Funny how people always say they hypothetically would feel the same "if" it just so happened to be a m/f or f/f couple, but it always just so happens to be when it's a m/m couple they actually say it.”
I bet I would and I do. I'm not a prude but I think there is no point in having a watershed if they are going to show couples of any sex in bed in compromising positions.
I think you are trying to imply that I am homophobic. Im sorry but you have failed.
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“The fact that they complain and expect Corrie to change because of their complaints does. People can obviously dislike or like what they want. But their complaints suggest that they don't believe gay affection has a place on TV and gay relationships don't deserve representation. Complaining from that perspective has a much deeper impact than just complaining about say a violent scene or a particular storyline (not associated with sexuality or ethnicity for example) does. Making an actual complaint about gay kissing goes beyond simply not liking watching something. It suggests they believe a certain kind of human being is offensive to them simply because of who they are. That is bigotry. People who were not bigoted toward gay people but simply do not enjoy watching gay kissing would not make a formal complaint.”
“The fact that they complain and expect Corrie to change because of their complaints does. People can obviously dislike or like what they want. But their complaints suggest that they don't believe gay affection has a place on TV and gay relationships don't deserve representation. Complaining from that perspective has a much deeper impact than just complaining about say a violent scene or a particular storyline (not associated with sexuality or ethnicity for example) does. Making an actual complaint about gay kissing goes beyond simply not liking watching something. It suggests they believe a certain kind of human being is offensive to them simply because of who they are. That is bigotry. People who were not bigoted toward gay people but simply do not enjoy watching gay kissing would not make a formal complaint.”
I agree.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“My issue with the scene was that it was before the watershed. I would have felt the same even if it was man and woman, girl and girl.”
“My issue with the scene was that it was before the watershed. I would have felt the same even if it was man and woman, girl and girl.”
Fair enough, personally I didnt have a problem with it but I respect your opinion.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I bet I would and I do. I'm not a prude but I think there is no point in having a watershed if they are going to show couples of any sex in bed in compromising positions.
I think you are trying to imply that I am homophobic. Im sorry but you have failed.”
“I bet I would and I do. I'm not a prude but I think there is no point in having a watershed if they are going to show couples of any sex in bed in compromising positions.
I think you are trying to imply that I am homophobic. Im sorry but you have failed.”
That's fair enough but you don't appear to be disgusted by the idea of 2 people of the same sex kissing.
Originally Posted by Jane_Lee3:
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
“Whatever.
This is our opinion only. It is NOT a fact.
I think some people on here are horribly prejudiced and bigoted, and it's not the ones who don't wanna see gays kissing.
Some straight people feel uncomfortable seeing gays smooching. It doesn't make them homophobic or bigoted or nasty.
So stop making out it does.”
You specifically said that "gay kissing" makes you uncomfortable and tht it shouldn't be on tv. That is homophobic whether you like it or not, and it doesn't make me a bigot to point that out.
I'm sorry, but how dare you accuse others of prejudice when you have said you are "sick of seeing gay men on tv".
Gay people have to put up with being verbally and physically abused, even killed, every day all over the world. And you think you're being oppressed because somebody doesn't like your opinion? You delicate little flower.
Look, look, people, can we just agree it was hella hot and move on 😂 my word if that scene didn't get your motor running you're clearly a disgrace to the Bruno Langley appreciation society (or am I in the wrong thread?!?!?)
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