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Old 26-09-2016, 07:15
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And today's SNP Brexit scare story is the cost of health after Brexit.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics...r-brexit.22842

Of course the truth is that no negotiations have taken place yet. Even if we did lose the EHiC then travelling to the EU would become like traveling to non EU countries now where it is advisable to have health insurance.

Also, they haven't thought this forwards, if Scotland left the UK and the UK wasn't in the EU then what happens to the huge numbers of Scots travelling to England every year, or the huge numbers of travellers to Scotland from other parts of the UK? Won't it also cost a fortune to be treated then?
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Old 26-09-2016, 07:56
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Taking out private health insurance as well as an EHIC card is generally sensible as the card does not mean you get everything free or at reduced cost.

Also only gives access to whatever the state system provides.
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Old 26-09-2016, 08:28
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And today's SNP Brexit scare story is the cost of health after Brexit.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics...r-brexit.22842

Of course the truth is that no negotiations have taken place yet. Even if we did lose the EHiC then travelling to the EU would become like traveling to non EU countries now where it is advisable to have health insurance.

Also, they haven't thought this forwards, if Scotland left the UK and the UK wasn't in the EU then what happens to the huge numbers of Scots travelling to England every year, or the huge numbers of travellers to Scotland from other parts of the UK? Won't it also cost a fortune to be treated then?
Wow! Project Fear II kicking into action early.
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Old 26-09-2016, 08:51
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Wow! Project Fear II kicking into action early.
The only project I see is coming from the SNP Benches right now. As I said, it isn't even thought through when the Independence angle is considered but mere fear mongering for the sake of it.

Personally, I wouldn't travel abroad without insurance even though I do have an EHiC.
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Old 26-09-2016, 13:40
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There can't be many people that travel anywhere abroad without their own travel insurance.

I'm sure that EHiC thing is ignored by many places as well anyway from what I know of it, so it's not reliable.
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Old 26-09-2016, 14:15
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I'm sure that EHiC thing is ignored by many places as well anyway from what I know of it, so it's not reliable.
So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card

"Does an EHIC make treatment free?

No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way."
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Old 26-09-2016, 14:16
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card

"Does an EHIC make treatment free?

No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way."
As we are one of the few that do not charge a thing at point of service, we lose out on the deal.
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Old 26-09-2016, 15:23
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card

"Does an EHIC make treatment free?

No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way."
I'm not advising anybody to do anything. Personally I prefer to arrange my own travel insurance and as such, I don't have one of these EU cards.

Besides, by the looks of what I've heard about it over the years, how it's supposed to work and how it actually works in some places appear to be different things. I'd rather not leave it to chance.
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Old 26-09-2016, 22:48
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card

"Does an EHIC make treatment free?

No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way."
Still better to have proper insurance when abroad. For all it usually costs and given many banks offer it as a perk for opening an account with them it's easier than putting your faith in a bit of blue plastic.
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Old 26-09-2016, 23:01
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Still better to have proper insurance when abroad. For all it usually costs and given many banks offer it as a perk for opening an account with them it's easier than putting your faith in a bit of blue plastic.
My bank (Santander) offers or did offer free travel insurance up to age 70 I think it was
but even if you have to pay for insurance it will cover things the card doesn't and means you could be treated privately rather than in a state run hospital if necessary.

Belt and braces is probably the safest option.
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Old 27-09-2016, 07:49
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card

"Does an EHIC make treatment free?

No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way."
Thanks for confirming that the SNP are fear mongering over this then as it won't cost us Millions even in the worst case scenario.
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Old 27-09-2016, 13:07
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Thanks for confirming that the SNP are fear mongering over this then as it won't cost us Millions even in the worst case scenario.
EHIC is independent of EU membership, a non-EU member government can sign up to it if they wish, they can't be forced to join scheme BUT way I read this as UK government isn't saying what 'brexit' really means/involves some pressure is being exerted to try to make some concrete commitments for a post brexit UK emerge .... none as yet!
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Old 27-09-2016, 15:59
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841

Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all.
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Old 27-09-2016, 16:04
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841

Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all.
Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. In fact, under Scots Law, she is not officially "charged" until such times as she is served with a Complaint or Indictment by the Procurator Fiscals office.

So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF.
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Old 27-09-2016, 16:13
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Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. In fact, under Scots Law, she is not officially "charged" until such times as she is served with a Complaint or Indictment by the Procurator Fiscals office.

So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF.
The Police don't report someone unless they believe there is enough evidence to support the charges on the report. Of course you are right whether this goes to trial is a matter for the PF but that fact remains.
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Old 27-09-2016, 16:16
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The Police don't report someone unless they believe there is enough evidence to support the charges on the report. Of course you are right whether this goes to trial is a matter for the PF but that fact remains.
Indeed that is true, however, the decision on guilt or innocence is still a matter for the court and "the fact remains" that, like everyone else, she's still innocent............................so far!
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Old 27-09-2016, 16:16
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Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. In fact, under Scots Law, she is not officially "charged" until such times as she is served with a Complaint or Indictment by the Procurator Fiscals office.

So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF.
The police must clearly believe she has a case to answer, which isn't the same as saying she's guilty of course, but they obviously have evidence of some sort otherwise they wouldn't be proceeding.
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Old 27-09-2016, 17:37
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Indeed that is true, however, the decision on guilt or innocence is still a matter for the court and "the fact remains" that, like everyone else, she's still innocent............................so far!
Meanwhile the speculation will continue but I think the fact that this has now happened means that the police are confident they have a case.

Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees.

Any bets on her being selected as an SNP MP next time round, no matter the outcome?

This simply adds another confirmation that the SNP politicians are in the huge majority no different from any others of other parties.

I feel most sorry for her constituents who were looking for more after years of Margaret Curran, seems they might have ended up with a worse MP.
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Old 27-09-2016, 17:40
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EHIC is independent of EU membership, a non-EU member government can sign up to it if they wish, they can't be forced to join scheme BUT way I read this as UK government isn't saying what 'brexit' really means/involves some pressure is being exerted to try to make some concrete commitments for a post brexit UK emerge .... none as yet!
So why are the SNP fearmongering over it. Surely not to scare folk into wanting another indyref
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Old 27-09-2016, 18:09
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Meanwhile the speculation will continue but I think the fact that this has now happened means that the police are confident they have a case.

Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees.

Any bets on her being selected as an SNP MP next time round, no matter the outcome?

This simply adds another confirmation that the SNP politicians are in the huge majority no different from any others of other parties.

I feel most sorry for her constituents who were looking for more after years of Margaret Curran, seems they might have ended up with a worse MP.
Not necessarily BS. In a matter such as this, ie political fall-out and/or large publicity, it's standard practice for the Police to refer the matter to the PF. The Police must be seen to have no Political bias or opinions, in fact in my day you were prohibited from joining a political party - so they will not just decide to mark the matter "no proceedings" - that's for someone else, further up the legal chain.

It's called passing the buck, but it keeps the Police out of "Political" decisions.
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Old 27-09-2016, 18:12
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Meanwhile the speculation will continue but I think the fact that this has now happened means that the police are confident they have a case.

Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees.
I'd say that most SNP voters think she's an idiot (at least), but there is a very vocal minority of SNP supporters who go on the attack of anyone who criticises anyone within the independence cause. A sub-set seem to have a particular soft-spot for McGarry, mainly fans of a particular Wiltshire based blogger. No doubt this is all a BBC/MSM conspiracy, and an example of how the SNP are unfairly hounded by the unionist establishment.

Meanwhile, on the BBC news, an MP being charged with fraud is lower down in the news than the US election, Alton Towers, and a football manager being caught saying something off-mic.

I don't think McGarry will be backed by the SNP top brass. She's an embarrassment to them, and not just because of this. She's kept that lawyer of hers very busy in the last year. She was treated kindly by them at first because of her family connections. Her mum is a recently retired SNP councillor and her auntie was the SNP presiding officer. They've both since retired, and while I think Sturgeon etc will be measured in her reaction, she's not daft enough to welcome her back.

Michelle Thompson, on the other hand, will probably be allowed to quietly return.
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Old 27-09-2016, 18:29
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I'd say that most SNP voters think she's an idiot (at least), but there is a very vocal minority of SNP supporters who go on the attack of anyone who criticises anyone within the independence cause. A sub-set seem to have a particular soft-spot for McGarry, mainly fans of a particular Wiltshire based blogger.

Michelle Thompson, on the other hand, will probably be allowed to quietly return.
I'm sure the Wiltshire based blogger will not be producing an article on her just in case she is found guilty, then again, perhaps it will all be made out to be an establishment plot. You never know over at the Scottish conspiracy site.

As for Thompson, I think she is finished as an SNP MP, even if they let her back into the fold the voters will probably reject her at the first chance they get. I don't believe the SNP would take the risk to be honest.
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Old 27-09-2016, 20:14
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You are probably right. She comes across as someone with a sense of entitlement, so she might kick up a fuss, but I expect she'll know on which side her bread is buttered, and she'll step down prior to the next election to avoid fuss.
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Old 27-09-2016, 22:41
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841

Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all.
At what point does an MP stand down?

Would've thought this would be enough.
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Old 27-09-2016, 23:06
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That would involve admiting they did something wrong. And the SNP never do that.
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