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#476 |
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And today's SNP Brexit scare story is the cost of health after Brexit.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics...r-brexit.22842 Of course the truth is that no negotiations have taken place yet. Even if we did lose the EHiC then travelling to the EU would become like traveling to non EU countries now where it is advisable to have health insurance. Also, they haven't thought this forwards, if Scotland left the UK and the UK wasn't in the EU then what happens to the huge numbers of Scots travelling to England every year, or the huge numbers of travellers to Scotland from other parts of the UK? Won't it also cost a fortune to be treated then? |
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#477 |
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Taking out private health insurance as well as an EHIC card is generally sensible as the card does not mean you get everything free or at reduced cost.
Also only gives access to whatever the state system provides. |
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#478 |
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And today's SNP Brexit scare story is the cost of health after Brexit.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics...r-brexit.22842 Of course the truth is that no negotiations have taken place yet. Even if we did lose the EHiC then travelling to the EU would become like traveling to non EU countries now where it is advisable to have health insurance. Also, they haven't thought this forwards, if Scotland left the UK and the UK wasn't in the EU then what happens to the huge numbers of Scots travelling to England every year, or the huge numbers of travellers to Scotland from other parts of the UK? Won't it also cost a fortune to be treated then? |
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#479 |
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Wow! Project Fear II kicking into action early.
Personally, I wouldn't travel abroad without insurance even though I do have an EHiC. |
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#480 |
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There can't be many people that travel anywhere abroad without their own travel insurance.
I'm sure that EHiC thing is ignored by many places as well anyway from what I know of it, so it's not reliable. |
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#481 |
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I'm sure that EHiC thing is ignored by many places as well anyway from what I know of it, so it's not reliable.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card "Does an EHIC make treatment free? No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way." |
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#482 |
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card "Does an EHIC make treatment free? No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way." |
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card "Does an EHIC make treatment free? No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way." Besides, by the looks of what I've heard about it over the years, how it's supposed to work and how it actually works in some places appear to be different things. I'd rather not leave it to chance. |
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#484 |
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card "Does an EHIC make treatment free? No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way." |
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#485 |
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Still better to have proper insurance when abroad. For all it usually costs and given many banks offer it as a perk for opening an account with them it's easier than putting your faith in a bit of blue plastic.
but even if you have to pay for insurance it will cover things the card doesn't and means you could be treated privately rather than in a state run hospital if necessary. Belt and braces is probably the safest option. |
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#486 |
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So are you advising people to travel in the EU and EEA area without one?
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/free-ehic-card "Does an EHIC make treatment free? No. You get treated the same way as a citizen of that country. If they get free medical treatment then you do too – if they pay, you pay the same rates. As this is a reciprocal agreement across Europe, it also means EU citizens can use the NHS in the same way." |
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#487 |
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Thanks for confirming that the SNP are fear mongering over this then as it won't cost us Millions even in the worst case scenario.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841
Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all. |
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#489 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841
Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all. So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF. |
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#490 |
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Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. In fact, under Scots Law, she is not officially "charged" until such times as she is served with a Complaint or Indictment by the Procurator Fiscals office.
So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF. |
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The Police don't report someone unless they believe there is enough evidence to support the charges on the report. Of course you are right whether this goes to trial is a matter for the PF but that fact remains.
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#492 |
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Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. In fact, under Scots Law, she is not officially "charged" until such times as she is served with a Complaint or Indictment by the Procurator Fiscals office.
So really to be correct she hasn't yet been charged. The Police charge is more an intimation that the matter is being reported to the PF. |
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#493 |
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Indeed that is true, however, the decision on guilt or innocence is still a matter for the court and "the fact remains" that, like everyone else, she's still innocent............................so far!
![]() Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees. Any bets on her being selected as an SNP MP next time round, no matter the outcome? This simply adds another confirmation that the SNP politicians are in the huge majority no different from any others of other parties. I feel most sorry for her constituents who were looking for more after years of Margaret Curran, seems they might have ended up with a worse MP. |
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#494 |
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EHIC is independent of EU membership, a non-EU member government can sign up to it if they wish, they can't be forced to join scheme BUT way I read this as UK government isn't saying what 'brexit' really means/involves some pressure is being exerted to try to make some concrete commitments for a post brexit UK emerge .... none as yet!
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#495 |
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Meanwhile the speculation will continue but I think the fact that this has now happened means that the police are confident they have a case.
Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees. Any bets on her being selected as an SNP MP next time round, no matter the outcome? This simply adds another confirmation that the SNP politicians are in the huge majority no different from any others of other parties. I feel most sorry for her constituents who were looking for more after years of Margaret Curran, seems they might have ended up with a worse MP. It's called passing the buck, but it keeps the Police out of "Political" decisions. |
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#496 |
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Meanwhile the speculation will continue but I think the fact that this has now happened means that the police are confident they have a case.
Stand by for SNP supporters to flock to her cause with support, perhaps they might even have a whip round to pay for her Lawyers fees. ![]() Meanwhile, on the BBC news, an MP being charged with fraud is lower down in the news than the US election, Alton Towers, and a football manager being caught saying something off-mic. I don't think McGarry will be backed by the SNP top brass. She's an embarrassment to them, and not just because of this. She's kept that lawyer of hers very busy in the last year. She was treated kindly by them at first because of her family connections. Her mum is a recently retired SNP councillor and her auntie was the SNP presiding officer. They've both since retired, and while I think Sturgeon etc will be measured in her reaction, she's not daft enough to welcome her back. Michelle Thompson, on the other hand, will probably be allowed to quietly return. |
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#497 |
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I'd say that most SNP voters think she's an idiot (at least), but there is a very vocal minority of SNP supporters who go on the attack of anyone who criticises anyone within the independence cause. A sub-set seem to have a particular soft-spot for McGarry, mainly fans of a particular Wiltshire based blogger.
Michelle Thompson, on the other hand, will probably be allowed to quietly return. . You never know over at the Scottish conspiracy site.As for Thompson, I think she is finished as an SNP MP, even if they let her back into the fold the voters will probably reject her at the first chance they get. I don't believe the SNP would take the risk to be honest. |
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#498 |
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You are probably right. She comes across as someone with a sense of entitlement, so she might kick up a fuss, but I expect she'll know on which side her bread is buttered, and she'll step down prior to the next election to avoid fuss.
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#499 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-37487841
Oh dear, not a very different type of politics after all. Would've thought this would be enough. |
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#500 |
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That would involve admiting they did something wrong. And the SNP never do that.
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. You never know over at the Scottish conspiracy site.