And so we reach the nub of the SNP supporters whole direction regarding their Party. When one of them does wrong, simply get them to leave and then the problem goes away.

No need to apologise or actually make up excuses as they aren't SNP. It's a good tactic but unfortunately doesn't fool thinking folk. That your so agitated by this shows that you actually give more of a toss than your professing not to

I give a toss in a sense because I did cross paths with her during the campaign and was genuinely shocked when I heard about the accusations etc. I'll wait to see what transpires with the court case but it doesn't look good. Speaking to others who were involved with WFI at the time this would have happened they seem certain the accusations are false but the police clearly have evidence to the contrary and the range of charges suggests this is more than financial incompetence. I'm not sure what you expect independence supporters to say. All I can say is that if she is found guilty she should lose her seat and face justice. The idea that someone who was so driven to become a politician would do something like seems like insanity. On top of this her partner at the time, now husband, is a Conservative politician. If she has been guilty of these charges there are questions about what he did or didn't know as well. It could all get very messy indeed.

Im shocked that you would think politicians wouldn't do these kinds of things she is alleged to have done as history is replete with them.

Her Conservative party husband is interesting as honestly if she was a genuine SNP politician would she countenance actually being in bed with the Tories? Or as I've said before are they compatible because their main policies are compatible. Could anyone really contemplate being married to someone whose political beliefs are supposedly against all that they stand for?

I couldn't imagine living with someone from a group that I'm expected to loathe and finding that comfortable on a daily basis.

So all of a sudden you're not only an expert on SNP, but you're a fantastic mind reader as well!

Yet again you're not even bothering to wait for the outcome of any enquiry, you've decided she's guilty. "When one of them does wrong" None of us on this forum knows the facts, but you've decided bugger the legal rights of a person, I know best and she's done something wrong!

Who appointed you judge and jury?

I think that's a huge stretch to try to justify your unjustified claim that the SNP and Tories are one in the same just because a SNP and Tory politician are together. They are both fundamentally at odds on their values and beliefs for Scotland and Britain yet are together so yes it's possible and probably common place. During the campaign I was going out with an English no voting Labour supporter. We didn't discuss politics very much! A casual affair mind you!

I've not claimed she was guilty or innocent but she has clearly done something that warranted investigation by the police.

You've taken the facts available and defended her simply because she is part of the SNP and your defence is........that's she's not in the SNP.

Yet again you spring to the defence of the SNP by using tired old excuses, and that is a fact.

I have never claimed the Tories and SNP are one and the same, I do claim that those two parties are the closest in Scotland though with very similar policies and voter base. It's pretty clear that labour is further to the left and has been rejected by the voters.

A casual fling is very different from a marriage though and I can't imagine being married to someone whose political beliefs are supposed to be so opposite in the political world, though it might work for non politicians.

At a time when Labour politicians are switching to the Tories and Labour supporters now vote Tory as their second choice that seems far fetched in the extreme. Reality is Greens and SNP have far more in common, SNP and Labour have far more in common than the SNP and Tories do. While labour in the uk are being led to the left of the SNP the party in Scotland is opposed to this change. At that point it's hard to take seriously any left wing claims from the likes of Dugdale are anything other than posturing.

I suppose at least Scottish Labour have proposed a tax increase to pay for increased spending... whilst SNP talks anti austerity and at the same time provides income tax cuts for the wealthiest.

It's been said here numerous times, better to judge the SNP on actions rather than words. A recent example is Mhairi Black ongoing support of reversing some of the changes to women's retirement age, whilst the independence white paper supported the UK governments timetable to age 66.

Tax wise I'm a great supporter of the SNP

Once again, for the third time I think, I am not defending this woman.............................however, I am not condemning her either.

The reason is that like you and everyone else outside the enquiry, I do not know the facts.

What I do know, is that you and others are more than willing to castigate/accuse any person who is subject to an enquiry/court case, without any shred of evidence or facts to support your accusations.

That is wrong!!! That is what I am defending..................the right of every person to remain innocent until proven guilty, without some armchair judges conducting kangaroo courts on social media.

If she is proven guilty, then she deserves whatever is coming her way. If she is proven innocent, then she deserves an apology from everyone who has thrown shite at her character....................................she better not be holding her breath for that though.

so what is your view on the carmichael situation given he not only had the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, he has actually been in a court of law and cleared

doesn't stop your fellow SNP supporters from moaning about him

Indeed even before the trial I recall SNP supporters on this very forum claiming anything other than a guilty verdict would be a Unionist establishment conspiracy, and even after the verdict claiming the same.

I'm surprised nobody has yet played the establishment witch-hunt card in this case, time will tell.

Cannot answer for others, I'll leave that to the great mind reader on the forum.

Doesn't matter a damn to me whether they be Tory, Liberal, SNP - it's the right of everyone to be considered innocent until proven otherwise.

so when any of the SNP supporters complain about carmichael i assume you will be as consistent with your defence of him as you have been of McGarry, especially considering he has actually been cleared by a court of law ?

As Carmichael admitted lying, and the judges called him an unreliable witness but he got off on a technicality, then I think people are justified in condemning him. His case was that it is legal for a politician to lie and on the strict definition of the law, he was correct. However, that does not make him a decent or trustworthy MP and definitely not suitable to be home affairs spokesman.

I'm still waiting for someone giving an example of a forum member defending McGarry, rather than waiting for the trial verdict, but it seems many have already suggested she should resign as an MP before it comes to trial.

That would depend on what "SNP supporters" were complaining about.

The case wasn't about the leak, but whether the leak was a breach of electoral law.

It was about the effect (if any) it had on the election; viz,


The Courts of Session ruled that he hadn't breached the Act, but;


So the court ruled that he lied, but that he didn't benefit from that lie at the election.

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search...0-ff0000d74aa7

so predictable and so utterly hilarious

thanks for that

If it was predictable, why ask the question in the first place?

Did you bother to read that actual judgement - I did post a link to assist you.

because i wanted to see if you would apply your own standards consistently

you didn't, as expected

Really? You need to research Scots Law a bit more and discover the difference between Criminal and Civil Law.

Another SNP Paragon of virtue under investigation for financial misdealing: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/po...arebar_twitter

Funny how only last week I was reading about him moaning on Twitter that Dundee airport wouldn't stay open just for him.

Thus the case against wasn't proved in court.

Just admit you all dug yourselves into a hole on this one. Your party claimed it was whiter than white and here we are at least one SNP MP facing criminal charges, yes she's technically "independent" at this time but if you genuinely believe that it explains a heck of a lot about the delusional Nationalist mindset towards anything that contradicts their views tbh.

I actually think after Yes Scotland admitted it was £500,000 in debt we are only scratching at the surface. I do wonder how Nats are even going to fund another Indy ref. But that's another issue.

Are you trying to tell us something new?
Carmichael admitted he lied, he was called an unreliable witness by the judges, but was not guilty of breaking a strict definition of the law.
Are you defending him as a liar?