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Old 06-09-2016, 19:06
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The Scottish Government cautious figure was £6.8bn, whereas the OBR who had a history of overestimating had a figure of £3.2bn.

SNP told us they were using a cautious figure, if that was the case you would expect a figure of below £3.2bn to be used...
The OBR had a reputation for massively underestimating the oil price.
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Old 06-09-2016, 19:07
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The OBR had a reputation for massively underestimating the oil price.
In their recent history??
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Old 06-09-2016, 19:15
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In their recent history??
They don't have a lengthy history but they have continually got it wrong despite their estimations having huge margins of error. They did overestimate oil value at the time of the collapse but when prices were higher they were underestimating them.
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Old 06-09-2016, 20:18
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They don't have a lengthy history but they have continually got it wrong despite their estimations having huge margins of error. They did overestimate oil value at the time of the collapse but when prices were higher they were underestimating them.
http://www.centreonconstitutionalcha...erendum-debate

What is clear, however is that past OBR forecasts of oil revenues have tended to be optimistic relative to the outcome
This is also interesting in this context... from Apr 2014.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/131...nues_forecast/

SNP MSP Jamie Hepburn asked Mr Chote if he accepted that the OBR's price for oil used in its predictions was pessimistic.

"I wouldn't have said so," Mr Chote said.
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Old 06-09-2016, 21:29
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A collapse that your first minister, who was an economist, did not foresee.
The major reason for nearly zero revenue from oil is due to desperate measures taken by Osborne in order to address the lack of investment. Even if the oil price hadn't crashed the revenue coming in would still be less than £100million. Not only that but part of the argument for an oil fund was to provide a bit of a buffer for exactly the kind of dip in oil prices we've seen before. This isn't the first time it's happened at the instigation of OPEC.

Also. To be clear. You're talking about Salmond and not our present First Minister.
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Old 06-09-2016, 22:17
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The major reason for nearly zero revenue from oil is due to desperate measures taken by Osborne in order to address the lack of investment. Even if the oil price hadn't crashed the revenue coming in would still be less than £100million. Not only that but part of the argument for an oil fund was to provide a bit of a buffer for exactly the kind of dip in oil prices we've seen before. This isn't the first time it's happened at the instigation of OPEC.

Also. To be clear. You're talking about Salmond and not our present First Minister.
"near zero revenue" from oil is misleading..

http://oilandgasuk.co.uk/key-facts.cfm
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Old 07-09-2016, 00:12
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Who cares?!


They have stolen mine and many others votes.

When I cast my vote for the UK to remain in the EU, I wasn't voting with a 2nd independence referendum in mind.
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Old 07-09-2016, 00:14
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"near zero revenue" from oil is misleading..

http://oilandgasuk.co.uk/key-facts.cfm
Near zero as being reported by the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-35757787 despite which the deficit has barely moved.
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Old 07-09-2016, 00:43
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Someone retweeted this into my twitter timeline- with the amount of hate and abuse I've seen come from Scot Nats down the years I had to laugh out loud!

https://twitter.com/Jeggit/status/773086887858823168

Scottish nationalism has done a good enough job of making Scots hate EACH OTHER, let alone anyone else.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:15
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Worth a watch, John Swinney explaining the difference between a test and an Assessment

https://twitter.com/DrScottThinks/st...04570630361092
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:55
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Worth a watch, John Swinney explaining the difference between a test and an Assessment

https://twitter.com/DrScottThinks/st...04570630361092
Must have missed it. There's someone from RISE who isn't actually introduced as such criticising the SNP.

That said, anyone involved in risk assessment might have a handle on the difference. An assessment is an evaluation of potential and capability. In Risk assessment you note something is flammable or might break. You don't actually perform a test to confirm it. In the same way an assessment of a pupils ability would be based on the teachers experience of their classwork rather than a formal test. Assessing the progress of those under their charge is something that any competent teacher would be doing in the first place.
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Old 07-09-2016, 13:31
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Must have missed it. There's someone from RISE who isn't actually introduced as such criticising the SNP.

That said, anyone involved in risk assessment might have a handle on the difference. An assessment is an evaluation of potential and capability. In Risk assessment you note something is flammable or might break. You don't actually perform a test to confirm it. In the same way an assessment of a pupils ability would be based on the teachers experience of their classwork rather than a formal test. Assessing the progress of those under their charge is something that any competent teacher would be doing in the first place.
I would wholeheartedly agree, but if you're going to ask kids questions and then assess the results, that's a test.

SNP reprofiling tests as assessments is a marketing exercise...
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Old 07-09-2016, 13:35
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if you're going to ask kids questions and then
Do you know that they are?
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Old 07-09-2016, 13:43
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Do you know that they are?
Sounds like tests...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...or-pupils.html
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Old 07-09-2016, 17:59
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Near zero as being reported by the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-35757787 despite which the deficit has barely moved.
Has BBC Scotland ever quoted facts and figures from UK Oil and Gas?
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Old 07-09-2016, 18:41
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Has BBC Scotland ever quoted facts and figures from UK Oil and Gas?
Have they ever found your secret oil fields
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Old 07-09-2016, 18:48
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:40
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Scottish Schools already test children regularly and at secondary lever it was near universal that schools made pupils sit in house exams at age 14, those exams determined the stream you were put into for progressing towards Standard Grades. If you performed poorly youd be put into a foundation/general stream, well into general/credit.
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:46
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Have they ever found your secret oil fields
Is it this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDpv4SqhKXg
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Old 07-09-2016, 23:10
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Given this was published before the last ref, it was hardly a secret...
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Old 07-09-2016, 23:32
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Given this was published before the last ref, it was hardly a secret...
It's its location on the Atlantic Margin that is important..

400 million has already be recovered since 1998, and they now estimate there is another 500 million to be recovered. that represents a near 1 billion barrel oil field.

It demonstrates the potential for several similar size fields..

I notice the UK government's current offshore licensing round is offering blocks in the area

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...icensing-round
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Old 08-09-2016, 00:11
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"Her (Sturgeon's) decision to pull back from staging a snap vote followed polling showing Scots did not want another referendum and would vote No again, and dire figures showing Scotland has a higher spending deficit than even Greece"

The Telegraph
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:51
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"Her (Sturgeon's) decision to pull back from staging a snap vote followed polling showing Scots did not want another referendum and would vote No again, and dire figures showing Scotland has a higher spending deficit than even Greece"

The Telegraph
I'm not convinced Sturgeon has handled the EU referendum result particularly well. She obviously hoped/expected the polls to show a change after the leave vote and apart from a slight changed immediately after, they're pretty much where they were before.

Crying wolf with independence for her core independence supporters may keep on the side, but I think it's turning the rest off... I hear the fact the new iPhone doesn't have a earphone jack is now a trigger for independence...
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Old 08-09-2016, 09:37
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I'm not convinced Sturgeon has handled the EU referendum result particularly well. She obviously hoped/expected the polls to show a change after the leave vote and apart from a slight changed immediately after, they're pretty much where they were before

Crying wolf with independence for her core independence supporters may keep on the side, but I think it's turning the rest off... I hear the fact the new iPhone doesn't have a earphone jack is now a trigger for independence...
What you consider a reasonable trigger for a second referendum, if the EU situation is not one?
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