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mimik1uk
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“All you can say is "The majority of people who cast their votes in Scotland voted for the UK to remain in the EU."”

thats being too pedantic as anyone who doesn't vote doesn't really deserve for their opinion to be recognised either way
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Since I am not a pedant, and politicians use exactly the same terminology, I will continue to use that. I suggest, if you don't like it, tough. Ninman from The Internet, and his wrath, holds no fears for me.”

If you want to continue to argue then it's wiser to stick to logical arguments. Politicians are generally awful at arguing. I'm just asking you politely to stick to the facts, that's all.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“So she is calling for a vote on something that she has no idea on how it is going to work out?”

Nobody has called for a vote on anything. Did you actually read my post?
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“thats being too pedantic as anyone who doesn't vote doesn't really deserve for their opinion to be recognised either way”

I'm talking about out of the total votes cast across the UK, the majority of the ones cast in Scotland were for the UK to remain in the EU.

It doesn't really tell you anything about the opinion of Scotland being independent and joining the EU, or Scotland being in the EU if the UK leaves, or even of Scottish people in general because many of the votes cast in other parts of the UK would have been by Scottish people living there.
Impinger
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“OK, would "the people of Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU" be better?”

They didn't though.

A majority of those who voted in Scotland, voted for the UK to remain in the EU.

To try and extrapolate that so as to speak for the whole of Scotland or at least the whole Scottish electorate that was eligible to vote in the EU referendum is akin to the recent antics of Lilly Allen.

Neither you, nor anybody else has the right to try and claim they represent a whole country of people.

You'll find that actually an "overwhelming" majority of the Scottish electorate eligible to vote did not vote "remain".
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“If you want to continue to argue then it's wiser to stick to logical arguments. Politicians are generally awful at arguing. I'm just asking you politely to stick to the facts, that's all.”

And I am ignoring what you say, especially if you insist on falsely referring to regions. We have four specific countries under a sovereign state.
CoolSharpHarp
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Since I am not a pedant, and politicians use exactly the same terminology, I will continue to use that. I suggest, if you don't like it, tough. Ninman from The Internet, and his wrath, holds no fears for me.”

So even though you know it's wrong, you'll keep on saying it anyway cause it suits your argument... makes sense.
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“And I am ignoring what you say, especially if you insist on falsely referring to regions. We have four specific countries under a sovereign state.”

If you're happy for me to continue to rip your arguments apart, then go right ahead. I won't hold back.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Impinger:
“They didn't though.

A majority of those who voted in Scotland, voted for the UK to remain in the EU.

To try and extrapolate that so as to speak for the whole of Scotland or at least the whole Scottish electorate that was eligible to vote in the EU referendum is akin to the recent antics of Lilly Allen.

You, nor anybody else has the right to try and claim they represent a whole group of people.”

Question, since when has Nicola Sturgeon claimed she is speaking for all of Scotland? Can you explain your wish for democracy and an election system which provides for the utopia you speak of? I mean, going by your logic (cough), hardly any elections at all would be valid. Are you asking for anarachy? Are you an anarchist?
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by CoolSharpHarp:
“So even though you know it's wrong, you'll keep on saying it anyway cause it suits your argument... makes sense.”

Well, no, its not wrong. The same points are used everywhere, in the media, politics, journalists, commentators etc. Now, I'm not going to change that just because of the pedantic few on Digital Spy who, in reality, don't matter in the slightest as regards this debate. We're really not that important. I know some people like to thing they are, but they're not.
Projectionist
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“All you can say is "The majority of people who cast their votes in Scotland voted for the UK to remain in the EU."”

I wonder what the turnout in Scotland, amounted to?

But I think it is more a case that Sturgeon, likes the sound of her own voice & has convinced herself, that she is right.....

Scotland's population, is?

Edit: Actually, the whole of Scotland's electorate, is less than that of Just London.....
They are just spread out, over a much larger area.....
CoolSharpHarp
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Question, since when has Nicola Sturgeon claimed she is speaking for all of Scotland? Can you explain your wish for democracy and an election system which provides for the utopia you speak of? I mean, going by your logic (cough), hardly any elections at all would be valid. Are you asking for anarachy? Are you an anarchist?”

BIB... I'm sure that was just shorthand.
smudges dad
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“If you're happy for me to continue to rip your arguments apart, then go right ahead. I won't hold back.”

If the total summation of your arguments is the semantics of the wording of one small phrase, then feel free to go ahead.
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Question, since when has Nicola Sturgeon claimed she is speaking for all of Scotland? Can you explain your wish for democracy and an election system which provides for the utopia you speak of? I mean, going by your logic (cough), hardly any elections at all would be valid. Are you asking for anarachy? Are you an anarchist?”

That's not an argument. You have not stated any premises, or reached any conclusions.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“If you're happy for me to continue to rip your arguments apart, then go right ahead. I won't hold back.”

I'm happy for you to do whatever you like, you're just words on a computer screen after all.
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Well, no, its not wrong. The same points are used everywhere, in the media, politics, journalists, commentators etc. Now, I'm not going to change that just because of the pedantic few on Digital Spy who, in reality, don't matter in the slightest as regards this debate. We're really not that important. I know some people like to thing they are, but they're not.”

That's a logical fallacy. It's called appeal to authority, or appeal to the majority, i.e. certain people say it, therefore it must be true.
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“I'm happy for you to do whatever you like, you're just words on a computer screen after all.”

So why are you even posting?
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“If the total summation of your arguments is the semantics of the wording of one small phrase, then feel free to go ahead.”

Correcting a factual error is a perfectly valid form of argument.
CoolSharpHarp
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“Well, no, its not wrong. The same points are used everywhere, in the media, politics, journalists, commentators etc. Now, I'm not going to change that just because of the pedantic few on Digital Spy who, in reality, don't matter in the slightest as regards this debate. We're really not that important. I know some people like to thing they are, but they're not.”

It's not about being pedantic, the two statements give completely different impressions.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“That's not an argument. You have not stated any premises, or reached any conclusions.”

Its not an argument, its a question. Impinger keeps stating that Sturgeon claims to speak for the whole of Scotland, I'm asking where she's said that.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by CoolSharpHarp:
“It's not about being pedantic, the two statements give completely different impressions.”

And I'm sticking with the one which is in most common usage, not the DS one.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by ninman:
“So why are you even posting?”

Because I want to? Simple really,
CoolSharpHarp
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“And I'm sticking with the one which is in most common usage, not the DS one.”

So you'll chose the factually incorrect one, because it suits...
ninman
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by PompeyBill:
“And I'm sticking with the one which is in most common usage, not the DS one.”

That doesn't make it correct, because it wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
PompeyBill
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by CoolSharpHarp:
“So you'll chose the factually incorrect one, because it suits...”

No, the one which most reasonable people see is what actually matters because, say it as many times as you want, the fact Scotland and Northern Ireland voted against matters. The Prime Minister knows it matters, the people who matter know it matters. DS, doesn't matter. You don't matter. I don't matter. The ones who will make the decisions, and discuss as regards this, know it matters.
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