Originally Posted by Black Sheep:
“What is Scotlands position regarding Brexit?”
“What is Scotlands position regarding Brexit?”
Independence?
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I heard French politics were urging the EU too block Scotland entry of the EU in case it intimidate regions such as Brittany and Normandy and other northern regions having there say on separations.Simallir too that of Spain with Catalonia and Basque Country but the EU are discussing that they are listening too the Scottish MPs as mush as Westminister.The message coming form some EU official is if Scotland disconnects from the rest of the U.K. It will have too,except EU currency and shengan and the single market that will be music to the SNP ears.But will it be harder for Scotland to active in the next Referndum now that it faces hard Brexit.
Originally Posted by thms:
“Independence?”
“Independence?”
Of course it isn't. Scotland clearly rejected independence, no offence but that's a blindly stupid answer.
So what is Scotlands position regarding Brexit? If you don't know what it is how can you know you haven't got it?
Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“I heard French politics were urging the EU too block Scotland entry of the EU in case it intimidate regions such as Brittany and Normandy and other northern regions having there say on separations.Simallir too that of Spain with Catalonia and Basque Country but the EU are discussing that they are listen too the Scottish MPs as mush as Westminister.The message coming form some EU official is if Scotland disconnects from the rest of the U.K. It will have too,except EU currency and shengan and the single market that will be music to the SNP ears.But will it be harder for Scotland to active in the next Referndum now that it faces hard brixit.”
“I heard French politics were urging the EU too block Scotland entry of the EU in case it intimidate regions such as Brittany and Normandy and other northern regions having there say on separations.Simallir too that of Spain with Catalonia and Basque Country but the EU are discussing that they are listen too the Scottish MPs as mush as Westminister.The message coming form some EU official is if Scotland disconnects from the rest of the U.K. It will have too,except EU currency and shengan and the single market that will be music to the SNP ears.But will it be harder for Scotland to active in the next Referndum now that it faces hard brixit.”
Sterling has become a millstone round our neck to be honest
Originally Posted by CharlieClown:
“Sterling has become a millstone round our neck to be honest”
“Sterling has become a millstone round our neck to be honest
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Straight from the Alex Salmond book of comedy quips.
Don't forget though you will have to change to liking the Euro in a while then after a brief spell decide you want the pound again, just like Mr. Salmond and now Mr. Swinney!
Originally Posted by Black Sheep:
“Of course it isn't. Scotland clearly rejected independence, no offence but that's a blindly stupid answer.
So what is Scotlands position regarding Brexit? If you don't know what it is how can you know you haven't got it?”
“Of course it isn't. Scotland clearly rejected independence, no offence but that's a blindly stupid answer.
So what is Scotlands position regarding Brexit? If you don't know what it is how can you know you haven't got it?”
What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means
Yet another questionable policy which no doubt will cost a fortune in order to win a couple of votes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7363256.html
While not against the scheme I would have concentrated it on low income families, middle class families are not going to need a free cardboard box to keen the bairn in. Targeting lower income families would mean increased support for them.
Estimated at £100 a box, 55000 births in 2015.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7363256.html
While not against the scheme I would have concentrated it on low income families, middle class families are not going to need a free cardboard box to keen the bairn in. Targeting lower income families would mean increased support for them.
Estimated at £100 a box, 55000 births in 2015.
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
[BIB1]The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
[BIB2]The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
[BIB1]The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
[BIB2]The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
BIB1 - 62% voted for the UK to remain in the EU.
BIB2 - She's yet to explain the benefit of leaving the EU single market that we trade £12bn with, but want to lose the £48bn UK single market.
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
No, your avoiding the question just as thms did.
In answer to this.
Quote:
“The FM has put forward what Scotland's position is regarding Brexit. If the PM chooses to ignore it, then it simply demonstrates how little regard she has for preserving what she calls the UK's "special union".”
“The FM has put forward what Scotland's position is regarding Brexit. If the PM chooses to ignore it, then it simply demonstrates how little regard she has for preserving what she calls the UK's "special union".”
What is Scotland position on Brexit.
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
“What do you mean by Scotland in this context?
The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU
The Scottish government wants to retain the benefits of the single market and may call a referendum if it doesn't get that.
The Scottish Tories don't care as long as they can slag off the SNP
Scottish Labour don't even know who they are
I assume there are probably about 5 million different opinions in Scotland of what Brexit means”
We've already been through this. Please only post facts.
Originally Posted by thms:
“It was said in response to a suggestion by Tories from Dumfries and Galloway that there should be a referendum about Dumfries and Galloway remaining in the UK should Scotland becomes independent.
Maybe Monmouthshire will demand one if Wales becomes independent.
It only became part of Wales 'officially' in 70s”
“It was said in response to a suggestion by Tories from Dumfries and Galloway that there should be a referendum about Dumfries and Galloway remaining in the UK should Scotland becomes independent.
Maybe Monmouthshire will demand one if Wales becomes independent.
It only became part of Wales 'officially' in 70s”
Mentioning Wales is deflection. Why is it a "nonsensical stunt" when such a referendum would be legitimized by the Representations of the People (Scotland) Regulations 2001. But perfectly OK to hold indyref 2 that has no legal foundation whatsoever?
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
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The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.”
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The 62% of Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.”
Not true. Only around 40% of the Scottish electorate eligible to vote, voted for the UK to remain the EU.
I know that you want it to have been 62%. But alas, for you, the vote has been cast and the numbers are now set in stone so it's an outright lie to claim that 62% of the Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.
Originally Posted by Impinger:
“Not true. Only around 40% of the Scottish electorate eligible to vote, voted for the UK to remain the EU.
I know that you want it to have been 62%. But alas, for you, the vote has been cast and the numbers are now set in stone so it's an outright lie to claim that 62% of the Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.”
“Not true. Only around 40% of the Scottish electorate eligible to vote, voted for the UK to remain the EU.
I know that you want it to have been 62%. But alas, for you, the vote has been cast and the numbers are now set in stone so it's an outright lie to claim that 62% of the Scottish people voted to remain in the EU.”
In that case, can the UK result really be said to represent the majority will of the people of Britain. It's an outright lie to claim that the people of Britain voted to leave the EU.
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“In that case, can the UK result really be said to represent the majority will of the people of Britain. It's an outright lie to claim that the people of Britain voted to leave the EU.”
“In that case, can the UK result really be said to represent the majority will of the people of Britain. It's an outright lie to claim that the people of Britain voted to leave the EU.”
Or, that the majority in Scotland voted to remain in the UK 2 years ago...
I'm guessing even the more committed unionists on here will be looking at his facile arguments and wearily shaking their heads.
Originally Posted by zarkov:
“Or, that the majority in Scotland voted to remain in the UK 2 years ago...
I'm guessing even the more committed unionists on here will be looking at his facile arguments and wearily shaking their heads.”
“Or, that the majority in Scotland voted to remain in the UK 2 years ago...
I'm guessing even the more committed unionists on here will be looking at his facile arguments and wearily shaking their heads.”
It doesn't change the fact that 1.6 million people did not vote for Scotland to remain in the EU. They voted for the UK to remain in the EU. That was the question asked, that's what was voted on. Regional voting was used for statistical interest only, it had no relevance to anything else.
Originally Posted by ninman:
“It doesn't change the fact that 1.6 million people did not vote for Scotland to remain in the EU. They voted for the UK to remain in the EU. That was the question asked, that's what was voted on. Regional voting was used for statistical interest only, it had no relevance to anything else.”
“It doesn't change the fact that 1.6 million people did not vote for Scotland to remain in the EU. They voted for the UK to remain in the EU. That was the question asked, that's what was voted on. Regional voting was used for statistical interest only, it had no relevance to anything else.”
I voted for Scotland to remain the EU aware that if England were to vote differently it could potentially lead to a second referendum. Many more will have been like me.
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“I voted for Scotland to remain the EU aware that if England were to vote differently it could potentially lead to a second referendum. Many more will have been like me.”
“I voted for Scotland to remain the EU aware that if England were to vote differently it could potentially lead to a second referendum. Many more will have been like me.”
So the UK leaves the EU, you then get a referendum to leave the UK. Would you then have a referendum about joining the EU?
Originally Posted by James_Orton:
“So the UK leaves the EU, you then get a referendum to leave the UK. Would you then have a referendum about joining the EU?”
“So the UK leaves the EU, you then get a referendum to leave the UK. Would you then have a referendum about joining the EU?”
I doubt it. I don't think there's enough demand for a referendum on the EU. The general view seems to be pro-EU. The premise of the second referendum is likely going to be that part of voting yes is to protect our membership of the EU.
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“I voted for Scotland to remain the EU aware that if England were to vote differently it could potentially lead to a second referendum. Many more will have been like me.”
“I voted for Scotland to remain the EU aware that if England were to vote differently it could potentially lead to a second referendum. Many more will have been like me.”
Many will, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
I voted remain to the UK being in the EU, which was the question and had nothing to do with Scottish independence.
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“In that case, can the UK result really be said to represent the majority will of the people of Britain. It's an outright lie to claim that the people of Britain voted to leave the EU.”
“In that case, can the UK result really be said to represent the majority will of the people of Britain. It's an outright lie to claim that the people of Britain voted to leave the EU.”
I'd totally agree with that and on matters so important with so little turn out there should really be some qualification criteria, other countries have a percentage of those voting in favour for any huge political change. I'd advocate that approach to referendums, if the turn out isn't a certain percentage, say 70 then it needs 66 percent of those that do vote to effect the major change.
Originally Posted by CoolSharpHarp:
“Many will, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
I voted remain to the UK being in the EU, which was the question and had nothing to do with Scottish independence.”
“Many will, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
I voted remain to the UK being in the EU, which was the question and had nothing to do with Scottish independence.”
So you think that Sturgeon has no mandate from Scottish voters to try and keep Scotland in the single market for instance whilst we're still part of the United Kingdom?
Originally Posted by CoolSharpHarp:
“Many will, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
I voted remain to the UK being in the EU, which was the question and had nothing to do with Scottish independence.”
“Many will, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper.
I voted remain to the UK being in the EU, which was the question and had nothing to do with Scottish independence.”
I voted remain because it makes sense to be in the EU, despite some of its problems I think it's a positive group, having lived in the EU for a number of years I recognise that EU citizens are not much different from UK ones.
Much the same reasons as I voted for Scotland to remain in the UK, the alternatives right now don't make economic sense.
Throwing away membership of the UK to apply for membership of the EU is the worst of both worlds in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Black Sheep:
“I'd totally agree with that and on matters so important with so little turn out there should really be some qualification criteria, other countries have a percentage of those voting in favour for any huge political change. I'd advocate that approach to referendums, if the turn out isn't a certain percentage, say 70 then it needs 66 percent of those that do vote to effect the major change.”
“I'd totally agree with that and on matters so important with so little turn out there should really be some qualification criteria, other countries have a percentage of those voting in favour for any huge political change. I'd advocate that approach to referendums, if the turn out isn't a certain percentage, say 70 then it needs 66 percent of those that do vote to effect the major change.”
Would you advocate raising the voting age in that regard as you may find it hard to hit a 75% turnout when young adults seem to stay at home.
I would say it would be interesting to see the UK referendum to the EU run with that now. Based on "Should we ignore the last vote". Would it be capable of getting the 75% or the 66%?
Originally Posted by ninman:
“It doesn't change the fact that 1.6 million people did not vote for Scotland to remain in the EU. They voted for the UK to remain in the EU. That was the question asked, that's what was voted on. Regional voting was used for statistical interest only, it had no relevance to anything else.”
“It doesn't change the fact that 1.6 million people did not vote for Scotland to remain in the EU. They voted for the UK to remain in the EU. That was the question asked, that's what was voted on. Regional voting was used for statistical interest only, it had no relevance to anything else.”
Well every region in Scotland voted to remain in the EU, so we know that much.
So what did the Secretary of State for Scotland mean when he said the following - "I think we need to be quite clear that that was a decisive vote by the people of Scotland to Remain in the EU"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcY0TR9acQ
He certainly seemed to recognise the distinction of the vote in Scotland the morning after the vote. Why does he feel we need "..to be quite clear" that the people of Scotland voted decisively to remain in the EU ?
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“So you think that Sturgeon has no mandate from Scottish voters to try and keep Scotland in the single market for instance whilst we're still part of the United Kingdom?”
“So you think that Sturgeon has no mandate from Scottish voters to try and keep Scotland in the single market for instance whilst we're still part of the United Kingdom?”
It's a false argument that you have been sucked into.
I've yet to see my question answered, what does Scotland want regarding Brexit, surely one of the SNP supporters here know this? There's not much point arguing about the EU if you don't know what you actually want first.
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