so let me get this straight

you are not in favour of being in the EU so you voted tactically in the hope of scotland becoming independent so we can join the EU ?

that makes sense ...

I was just pondering on referendums which don't come around all that often and they do tend to be major life changing events.

Given this I think there should be some qualification on turn out. If folk don't vote and have no interest it would then click over to a greater percentage of those that do have an interest, two thirds seems reasonable to me if turnout wasn't over a certain percentage. This would ensure that a true majority of the population voted for the life changing event.

It's under some delusion that there was a box that said "Scotland" somewhere on the ballot paper.

That's because a PM we didn't vote for, from a party we didn't vote for, in another country, refused to give the First Minister who we did vote for, from the party we did vote for, from our very own Country the respect due a nation within a family of equal nations the right for said nation to vote as a nation, with the ability to lead the UK as was the promise to the Scottish people during her own referendum.

Nicola Sturgeon requested this right for Scotland and the other devolved parliamens but was over ruled by Westminster . Now a PM who nobody voted for, who was on the losing side of the debate, who warned against the disaster of coming out of the single market, appears to be leading us out of the single market. Of course the Brexit campaign rubbished the assertion that we would have to exit the single market.

Democracy?

Scotland did want to be in EU, I did and I voted remain. That's within the UK though, as per the question on the ballot and in no way did I suggest that I favour EU membership over being in the UK.

The counter argument to yours is why is a FM that nobeody voted for so concerned with taking us out of the UK market against the wishes of the majority of Scots.

Democracy huh?

Except we did vote for her.

Not in the last parliament... she took over from Salmond in the same circumstance that May took over from Cameron.

Anyway... we vote for our MP, we don't vote for a PM.

Democracy yes... we voted to stay in the UK and then as the UK is the member of the EU, we voted as the UK on our EU membership...

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where we had a direct vote for FM. As party leader she took over from Salmond, only SNP members got a vote on that and so she is in the same position as Mrs May.

We don't directly vote for PMs and FMs in our democracy.

The SNP were returned to power in May this year with Nicola Sturgeon as party leader.

You say returned, so you obviously feel she was a legitimate leader last parliament, when she took over from Salmond when he resigned having lost the indy ref.

Therefore May must also be a legitimate leader, having taken over from Cameron in similar circumstances.

So what, we don't directly elect our FM, she wasn't voted in as FM by anyone she assumed the position from Alex Salmond on a party vote.

So what you said was untrue, Sturgeon is no more elected than May in that respect.

Don't you get fed up being right all the time? If you voted in Scotland you could not miss this fact.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14399399.display/

Access to the single market, free movement of people and protection of human and employment rights.

That was just the tagline, but we don't actually vote in the FM. Unless you're suggesting if she steps down, there has to be an election?

I've think you've misunderstood. I voted to remain in the EU because I'm pro-EU. When voting I was aware there was a risk England would vote to leave. I believed that if that happened there's a possibility that it would lead to a second referendum. Despite this I would have preferred that the UK just voted to remain because the worse case scenario I can imagine for Scotland is being out of the EU and still in the UK.

Well we will definitely have two of them, so does the whole question hinge on free movement then?

I don't think there are any definite's here. We don't know what the arrangement is going to be. On a economic level being part of the single market is important but on a human level for me the most important thing is the free movement. There was something that Sturgeon said yesterday that has made me consider joining the SNP; she spoke about the importance of the i word: inclusive. That to me is one of the most important things for any society to be. That she is able to tap into that vision many of my generation have for Scotland shows that the SNP get it. I want Scotland to be a moderate, left of centre society, inclusive, Northern European society that takes it's place in the world alongside the likes of Ireland, Iceland, Denmark and Norway and I think the SNP are the most likely way to making that happen. Of course there are policies I disagree with but, on the whole, they've got a vision of what Scotland can be and I think that future, tough as it will be at first, offers a better future than what Scotland can be as a part of a UK that is itself going off in a direction that is different.

Well we do know that we will still trade with the EU and that we will still have rights as workers and like now we won't have free movement of folk from outside the EU.

What we might have is restricted movement for EU citizens that don't have jobs to go to before they come here.

The UK is a much more inclusive society than you like to give it credit for, can you name any laws or acts that are excluding groups or individuals right now? Can you name any Scottish laws or acts that are more inclusive?

We don't know if we'll have full access to the single market. And Teresa May has said nothing of enshrining employment rights. It would be reckless to take it in good faith that the Tories will protect workers rights.


We've already got that.


I don't think the majority of EU citizens living in the UK feel part of an inclusive society. The UK is a country that damaged it's economy because of hysteria of immigration. When Sturgeon speak she's her tone is inclusive but surely you can see that the tone set by the Tories is different. Look at the papers in the UK and the demonisation of immigrants. Is that the sign of an inclusive society?

Of course we will have full access to the single market, do you know how many German and French Cars are sold here?

Again, can you point out where the UK isn't inclusive and what laws have been enacted to accomplish is. Also, do you really believe there will be no employement laws in the U.K. Post Brexit? Do you not think folk might just vote for another party if the Tories tried this? Or do you believe the whole of England is determined for it to be a right wing fascist state?

You don't think for a minute that Sturgeon isn't just saying what some voters like you want to hear do you?

Can you point out which policies the Scottish government are enacting to increase inclusivity?

Not going to happen without free movement of people being allowed. No concessions.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN12F0DU

Ah we'll, I suppose we will just have to settle for reduced access then. I wonder what that might look like?

62% of the Scottish Electorate voted for the UK to remain in the EU, not Scotland. The ballot made no mention of Scotland or any of the Nations.

"Referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union"
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

No other claim can be made out of the results as the people were voting for a very specific reason.