Except you did not. You voted for the United Kingdom to remain in the EU.

She has no mandate because that is beyond her power. It is not something she can do.
Single market issue is a matter for the UK Government to deal with, it is not a devolved matter so it is not her job as the First Minister of the devolved Scottish Government.

Scotland has no membership to protect...

Don't believe me, look at this list - https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en
That lists all of the Countries that have a membership. Do you notice what is missing from that list?

Most people who voted didn't get the Government they voted for, I don't know why people think Scotland is special in this regard.
You get to elect two levels of Government, you have got the party you wanted in one of them and not the other. I voted for one level and government and didn't get the party I wanted either.

Nicola Sturgeon and other requested something that would give the majority of the UK electorate less than a fair vote, because it would have favoured their wishes. This was always going to be rejected.

It is anyone else's fault that SNP voters didn't get the government they voted for. They voted for a party that stood no chance of contesting in the Westminster election. Same applies for those who voted for UKIP, Al Murray's party FUKIP or any other party that had no chance of winning.

We live in a Democracy, that doesn't stop because you didn't get your way. The EU referendum was fair and democratic, which is more than can be said of the system you want to use.

That's called appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy, and an invalid argument.

I can understand why you're upset. You don't understand how the system works. You think you do, but you don't. So you're upset because things didn't go the way you expected them to, but the reason they didn't go the way you expected them to is because you don't understand how the system in our country works.

Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom and my first concern is for the people of Scotland. If England wants to leave I back the First Minister in seeking to find ways to allow Scotland to remain within the EU in some form. So you're wrong I voted with Scotland's interests in mind as a Scottish voter.

When the issues start to impact on Scotland her responsibility is to work to protect our interests. The limitations of a devolution settlement don't really come into it.

The UK is a unitary state made up of a number of countries. In that form Scotland is a member of the EU. Your petulant dismissal of Scotland's legitimacy do nothing more than make you look like a stereotype.

And here we go again...

If you couldn't read or understand the question posed on the ballot paper, that's your own fault.

the point I'm making is that to hear some people you'd think some vast majority of the Scottish electorate voted to remain in the EU. In fact before the referendum even Sturgeon was on about how Scots "overwhelmingly" wish to remain in the EU, but in fact only 40% of the Scottish electorate got out there and showed support for remaining in the EU.

BIB
That's your view of the situation and your entitled to that view but, unfortunately, that's not the view of the people and institutions (The EU) who decide these things.

It's a statement of fact, Scotland is part of the EU, it's parliament has to adhere to EU Law and Scots Law is affected under the Treaties of the Europea Union. As a consequence of that Scottish only policies that do not apply to the rest of the UK, but under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Parliament are distinctly are affected by EU Law in accordance with Scotland's status as part of the EU.

All those things are internal local considerations and nothing to do with the EU, they only bring Scotland into line with the member states obligations i.e. the UK. So as was agreed by even the SNP if Scotland voted yes in 2014 we would have had to apply for EU membership.

Edited for clarity.

This point you keep trying to make though, really, is rubbish, as I've pointed out a few times;

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=1009

I'm not disputing that Scotland would have to negotiate membership in it's changed independent status but in it's status as a country within the UK it is a member of the EU.

The majority of the UK wants to leave, including over a million people in Scotland.
It isn't as black and white as you see it. It is the UK that joined and it will be the UK that leaves.
Saying England could leave the UK with Scotland remaining is as daft as saying London will become Independent...

You cannot just claim that you voted for something that was not option on the ballot because that is what you wanted, that is not how these things work.
A leave vote meant you were voting for the UK to leave the EU, a remain vote meant you were voting for the UK to remain in the in EU, nothing more nothing less.
You can attribute whatever you like to your vote, it will still be meaningless though.

There is no way of Scotland remaining in, the sooner you accept that the better it will be for all involved. Even recent supportive comments for Scotland acknowledge that it would first have to leave the EU in order to become a full member, no one outside of Nationalists that are fooling themselves believe otherwise.

The majority of Scotland wants to stay and Sturgeon has to find out whether there's anyway to make that possible. It may be that the only option is by leaving the UK but all options must be explored. Either I doubt anyway would pay attention to your opinion one way or the other.


When Greenland wanted to leave the EU despite the member state Denmark wishing to remain a way was found to achieve that. So we can say that solutions have been found in situations like this. Perhaps the only solution for Scotland will be the join as an independent state.


I, like Sturgeon acknowledge that the days when Scotland could be overruled are rapidly coming to an. We're a devolved country within the UK and many of us don't recognise that the UK has a mandate to take us out the EU against our will. This may infuriate you but that's your personal issue.


You aren't qualified to make that statement and the leaders of Scotland's political parties, SNP, Labour, Green and Lib Dem all have been keen to find ways for Scotland's EU membership to be protected if possible.

The majority of Scotland wanted the UK to remain in the EU... that is is no longer an option and what we want beyond that isn't purely down to speculation.


That situation is not like this...


We're not been taken out against our will, as this was a UK wide decision and we recently voted to stay in the UK. There was no question on the ballot paper about Scottish membership and that is because the UK is the member not Scotland.



Have we heard back from the SNP about the options... I thought they launched some form of commission?

If the SNP can negotiate access to the single market for Scotland or some kind of special relationship for Scotland within the EU would you oppose this on the ground it was a UK wide decision? Can you not see that from Scotland's perspective there is an issue here given the strength of support for EU membership?

Excuse me? Petulant? Stereotype?
How is it petulant or stereotypical of me to point out that Scotland does not have a membership to protect?

Member, and Membership, have a very specific meaning in this context. It does not apply to Scotland in this case. Only to the UK itself, as that is the Sovereign State that is the EU Member. Scotland is part of the EU, but it is not recognised as a member state because it is not one.

If anything your denial that I am correct is petty, and is certainly stereotypical of Scottish Nationalists who refuse to accept the above is correct.

If some deal can be done for Scotland within the UK, to be in the EU single market, then yes I'd support it, but I can't see how it's possible and haven't heard any considered proposals.

Regarding your second point, no and that's probably why the polls haven't really budged..

It is part of the EU, just as Manchester is part of EU, but crucially neither are Members, they are areas of a Member. Adherence to EU law does not make it a member state.

You are muddying the water by confusing two different things. Simply being in the EU does not make you necessarily a member of the EU, which Scotland isn't as the UK is the member.

Because your ignoring the fact that both Sturgeon and McGuinness are actively seeking ways to attempt to protect Scottish and Northern Irish membership. Give that these countries are devolved their situation within the EU is more complex because they are semi autonomous nations within one member state. The best thing that could happen for the unity of the UK would be for a special deal to be struck to accommodate the nations which don't want to lose their EU membership but given London's approach to Scotland in particular that's probably a non starter.