Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“I'm not disputing that Scotland would have to negotiate membership in it's changed independent status but in it's status as a country within the UK it is a member of the EU.”
It isn't! The home nations are not members. There is only one member, the UK. The home nations are part of the EU because they are part of a Member state, the UK.
{Please bear with me, I am trying something new here, I'm not used to using this forum system so it might go horribly wrong}
Originally Posted by anndra_w:
“The majority of Scotland wants to stay and Sturgeon has to find out whether there's anyway to make that possible. It may be that the only option is by leaving the UK but all options must be explored. Either I doubt anyway would pay attention to your opinion one way or the other. ”
Which she had already done and ultimately got told it cannot happen. Even someone within the EU who is sympathetic to Scotland has stated that Scotland would have to leave and re-apply as a new member.
Ignoring this is not going to make it go away or mean Scotland will be given an favours.
It is well reported that the act of becoming Independent would remove Scotland from the EU, and Scotland will not be able to become a member whilst part of the UK as members need to be a sovereign state which Scotland will not be whilst it remains part of the UK.
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“When Greenland wanted to leave the EU despite the member state Denmark wishing to remain a way was found to achieve that. So we can say that solutions have been found in situations like this. Perhaps the only solution for Scotland will be the join as an independent state.”
Greenland left the EU, but Denmark the member state remained. This is not even slightly comparable to this situation as the member state WILL BE LEAVING.
It was achieved because there was continuity with the Member state (Denmark) remained a member state to this day.
It did not involve a state that does not have member status being granted it like would need to happen with Scotland.
The only solution is for Scotland to join the EU as an Independent State, that has always been the only option.
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“I, like Sturgeon acknowledge that the days when Scotland could be overruled are rapidly coming to an. We're a devolved country within the UK and many of us don't recognise that the UK has a mandate to take us out the EU against our will. This may infuriate you but that's your personal issue.”
Scotland is a partially devolved Nation which is ultimately under the control of the UK Government just like the rest of the UK. Having your own devolved Government doesn't mean you are no longer ultimately controlled by the UK Government.
The UK has the mandate on the EU because it is the UK Government that is the controlling party, and it is as the UK, not as devolved Nations, that we are part of the EU.
It doesn't infuriate me at all, because I actually understand the matter. It clearly infuriates you though, otherwise you would not be complaining about not being able to do things you were never in a position to do.
It isn't the choice or the fault of the UK Government that you cannot choose for yourself to be in the EU, that is not a choice that can be made. You need to accept this instead of getting would up about things that cannot change no matter how much you complain about it.
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“You aren't qualified to make that statement and the leaders of Scotland's political parties, SNP, Labour, Green and Lib Dem all have been keen to find ways for Scotland's EU membership to be protected if possible.”
None of those are qualified, because none of those have the power to do that.
Saying something is possible because you refuse to accept the reality does not make it a possibility.
