It's strange how few SNP supporters there are isn't it, it's a wonder they are in power.

Enjoy your Sunday.

Should the government wait until they stop threatening another one, or until after another one happens - or what about the one after that?

It's a bit like steel manufacturing. When it looked threatened in Scotland, certain SNP leading lights actively blamed those who voted No, and this attitude has extended to the shipbuilding, with even Sturgeon getting in on it.

Now the details of the ships has been confirmed, they seem so miserable about it.

STV's reporter talks of a contract and BBC Scotland's reporter writes of an agreement in principle. Whatever it is the SNP's Westminster Defence spokesperson said the announcement was 'very welcome'. He also said..

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/ne...onfirmed-clyde

"Before the 2014 independence referendum we were of course promised that there would be thirteen of the Type-26s built on the Clyde, so I would caution the UK Government against being too self-congratulatory today, as all they have done today is fulfil the promise they made last year; the one that replaced the promise they broke the year before.”

That statement hardly sounds happy. The impression from it is that they would have been happy to see the jobs go and no orders made. Meanwhile the SNP save a mere 200 steel jobs and the FM can't get there quick enough.

I welcome this announcement as good news and even if in the unlikely event that Scotland did go independent before they were all finished it would mean continued work for the Yards involved.

So Scottish government is seen to be keeping Westminster's feet to the fire regarding shipbuilding contracts and Clyde jobs, while reminding them that promises have already been broken.

I like the way you back up your views with links and facts. You should start a Scottish Politics thread and leave this one to the troll.

It looks like the China deal has fallen through.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politi...n_China_deal/?

I see the age old plan of blaming the opposition is still in place. Pathetic from Mr Keith Brown spokesman who will be speaking on behalf of him.

This is the Scottish government that weren't exactly forthcoming about this deal in first place and now we find out from the papers it collapsed back in August... why are we finding out now?

Blaming the opposition is laughable. A large company isn't going to back out of a deal due to some grumbles from politicians...

They are politicians and therefore you can see why they wouldn't want this failure to be announced in a blaze of publicity but in the end it had to come out.

Anyway on a totally different tack well done to Andy Murray for a fantastic achievement.

Sturgeon backs Clinton?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...win-1-4279553?

Are these the statements of a self styled progressive?

compared to trump anyone is a progressive

Hey thats a future US president your talking about.

Meanwhile in the world of SNP politics the SNP blame westminster for VAT on Scotland Police when they were informed long before the mergers that they wouldn't be exempt.

Go figure that one.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...vat-1-4281884?

That's entirely due to Osborne refusing to add them to the list of VAT exempt bodies. The Treasury or Westminster could fix that if they weren't intent on punishing Holyrood for making choices their minority of MSPs oppose. "Thems the rules" doesn't wash when the person saying it can change them.

How come Sturgeon has just said that ""While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it. I congratulate president-elect Trump on winning the election."

But she is not willing to respect the verdict of the Scottish people?

In what way is she not respecting the verdict of the Scottish people?

By calling for a second independence referendum

She does respect the verdict of the Scottish people and only when it's clear they have changed their minds will she offer a second referendum.

When is this referendum taking place then? I'm surprised that I haven't heard about it

So despite being warned that the plan to centralise Scotland's Police forces would result in it losing VAT exemption, the SNP went ahead with those changes which have resulted in Police Scotland not having VAT exemption.
Yet somehow this is Osborne's fault?

Not only were they advised it would do this, they were also given advise on how to make changes to the plans in order to make it VAT exempt by adding elements of local funding to the plans, but this went ignored in favour of pressing ahead with the original plans.

The fault for this lies with the SNP only, they were warned multiple times about this and still went ahead with it.
But we are talking about the SNP, and supporters like yourself, that will always look to blame someone else even if the SNP is enitrely to blame for the situation.

The SNP should keep fighting this. They shouldn't have to start paying VAT and Osborne should have allowed an exemption. So no, not SNP's fault. We shouldn't have to alter policy in Scotland to dance to the tune of London. Pathetic. I guess it makes them feel like they've still got an empire when they play games like that.

Does she get to offer them?

Never. Not while shes still there.

Yes, she gets to offer to take a mandate she receives to hold a second referendum and negotiate with the British Government to hold one.

Shes already published a draft bill. You must have missed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bill-published

I think she realises she shouldnt have made a previous statement on it.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...-for-1-4282722


Now, for the first time ever in living memory a US President will have direct connections to Scotland, which could only be a good thing, the SNP have chosen to alienate him instead of just doing the right thing and sitting on the fence.

In many ways Trump might just be good for Scotlands economy.

Im glad Sturgeon has given them the go ahead for him to become President though.