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Tartan Day in New York should be a hoot next year, Nicola, wee Eck & The Donald walking arm-in-arm down 5th Avenue.
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#1427 |
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The SNP should keep fighting this. They shouldn't have to start paying VAT and Osborne should have allowed an exemption. So no, not SNP's fault. We shouldn't have to alter policy in Scotland to dance to the tune of London. Pathetic. I guess it makes them feel like they've still got an empire when they play games like that.
Surely if your told that then you would assess the consequences and weigh up whether your reforms are worth it and if they are then proceed. This is squarely the fault of the SNP. |
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So despite being warned that the plan to centralise Scotland's Police forces would result in it losing VAT exemption, the SNP went ahead with those changes which have resulted in Police Scotland not having VAT exemption.
Yet somehow this is Osborne's fault? Not only were they advised it would do this, they were also given advise on how to make changes to the plans in order to make it VAT exempt by adding elements of local funding to the plans, but this went ignored in favour of pressing ahead with the original plans. The fault for this lies with the SNP only, they were warned multiple times about this and still went ahead with it. But we are talking about the SNP, and supporters like yourself, that will always look to blame someone else even if the SNP is enitrely to blame for the situation. As I said "Them's the rules" isn't an argument. Even children eventually suss that out and demand explanations. Obviously a parent can default to saying they're the adult and it's not up for debate. Not sure how that helps a child develop negotiation skills that will help them in later life though. |
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#1429 |
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“There is no legitimate reason for taking this funding away from Scotland’s 999 services. We know that the UK government has the ability to exempt Scottish emergency services from VAT if only they choose to do so.”
Even the title of the article shows the SNP are calling out Westminster on their punative measure. |
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#1430 |
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Tartan Day in New York should be a hoot next year, Nicola, wee Eck & The Donald walking arm-in-arm down 5th Avenue.
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#1431 |
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Sturgeon backs Clinton?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...win-1-4279553? Are these the statements of a self styled progressive? Although as she isn't a politician of any significance it probably won't matter anyway. It is at least good to know that Scotland is in such a good place she can spend so much time on anything other than governing the place. |
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#1432 |
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Wee Eck won't be there as he is, even as we speak, on a plane to the Antarctic to live. Well he better be because he promised he would on C4 not that long ago. I'll try to find the clip. found it 44.30 in.
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#1433 |
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When someone is making up the rules to suit themselves then any argument against a devolved parliament that the rules can't be changes is simply a political decision. If the Treasury can change the list of exemptions and refuse to do so it's because they don't want Holyrood to take a decision that they don't like.
As I said "Them's the rules" isn't an argument. Even children eventually suss that out and demand explanations. Obviously a parent can default to saying they're the adult and it's not up for debate. Not sure how that helps a child develop negotiation skills that will help them in later life though. Perhaps they should have got the rules changed before they did it? |
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The basic premise that this isnt the SNPs fault is wrong though as they knew the rules before they went ahead with their plans, so they included it in their plans.
Perhaps they should have got the rules changed before they did it? |
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Do you think the Government should change the rules to exempt Scotland's emergency services or should Holyrood be forced to give money to local councils who may, or may not, then pass them on to those services? What happened to the economies of scale argument used in opposition to independence?
http://unison-scotland.blogspot.co.u...-thickens.html http://www.gov.scot/Topics/archive/l...mofInformation Now, indeed it would be nice to have the Scottish Forces exempt from VAT but to try and shift the blame to Westminster is plainly wrong. The SG knew what would happen and still went ahead with it which indicates to me that it was considered at the time. Of course now they want to blame Westminster for their own failings. |
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Will Trump let Sturgeon in?
Does he have to? She not a real leader after all |
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Nicola Surgeon is going down. She is literally falling apart. She has failed on her desire to take Scotland away from the UK union and now is basically redundant getting paid for not much.. Time to go, love.
Trump will destroy her after her awful comments about him she has treated him with distain. |
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Will Trump let Sturgeon in?
Does he have to? She not a real leader after all Quote:
Nicola Surgeon is going down. She is literally falling apart. She has failed on her desire to take Scotland away from the UK union and now is basically redundant getting paid for not much.. Time to go, love.
Trump will destroy her after her awful comments about him she has treated him with distain. |
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#1439 |
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So despite being told their actions would result in VAT for the Police they still went ahead and did it and you claim that this is due to the Empire.
No you've claimed it's due to the empire I'm stating it's due to the Tories playing power games and trying to wield power over the SNP for no sensible reason. Quote:
Surely if your told that then you would assess the consequences and weigh up whether your reforms are worth it and if they are then proceed.
I don't think any good government would allow the petty actions of the UK Government to force them to give up or change their policies just because the UK has chosen to be deliberately obstructive. The SNP is right to make a fuss and do everything they can to have the rules changed to accommodate Scotland's new police force.
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Wee Eck won't be there as he is, even as we speak, on a plane to the Antarctic to live. Well he better be because he promised he would on C4 not that long ago. I'll try to find the clip. found it 44.30 in.
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#1441 |
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No you've claimed it's due to the empire I'm stating it's due to the Tories playing power games and trying to wield power over the SNP for no sensible reason.
I don't think any good government would allow the petty actions of the UK Government to force them to give up or change their policies just because the UK has chosen to be deliberately obstructive. The SNP is right to make a fuss and do everything they can to have the rules changed to accommodate Scotland's new police force. If you bothered to read the links provided then you would know that the SNP made the changes knowing that VAT wouldn't be exempt and therefore it mustn't have figured that much in their plans at the time. Now, we can all agree that it would be beneficial for the rules to be changed but to say this was all a Tory plot is frankly stupid. |
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Those clowns Sturgeon and Salmond were so insulting and abusive of Trump. This was obviously before he was elected though and when they thought is was safe and fashionable to do so. Trump is a global industrialist who would have done great things in Scotland but why would he want to deal with Sturgeon now !?
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I'm stating it's due to the Tories playing power games and trying to wield power over the SNP for no sensible reason.
I don't think any good government would allow the petty actions of the UK Government to force them to give up or change their policies just because the UK has chosen to be deliberately obstructive. The SNP is right to make a fuss and do everything they can to have the rules changed to accommodate Scotland's new police force. There is of course nothing wrong with looking to have the rules changed but the loss of money is one that lies entirely at the door of the Scottish government and to say otherwise is duplicitous politics. |
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#1444 |
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Except it wasn't the Tories playing power games, I'm sure those VAT rules existed before 2010.
If you bothered to read the links provided then you would know that the SNP made the changes knowing that VAT wouldn't be exempt and therefore it mustn't have figured that much in their plans at the time. Now, we can all agree that it would be beneficial for the rules to be changed but to say this was all a Tory plot is frankly stupid. |
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The applicable VAT rules have not changed since April 2000 so your claim about the Tories is incorrect and the Scottish government knew about the rules before they made changes to the Scottish emergency services.
There is of course nothing wrong with looking to have the rules changed but the loss of money is one that lies entirely at the door of the Scottish government and to say otherwise is duplicitous politics. |
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#1446 |
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No the situation changed and the Tories refused to adapt the rules, for no sensible reason. Get angry at London for once, it'll do you good!
Who is there to get angry at? |
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No the situation changed and the Tories refused to adapt the rules, for no sensible reason. Get angry at London for once, it'll do you good!
The Scottish Government knew for years that their plans would have VAT implications and willingly ignored it. They had plenty of chances to make alterations so it complied with the VAT exemption criteria but refused to do so. Their reasons for doing this have become apparent with this complaint, it is just another thing they can use as a tool to create tension against Westminster in Scotland. I get angry at London enough, perhaps you should get angry at Holyrood for the first time. |
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#1448 |
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And why would Sturgeon choose to alienate her country by dealing with Trump? The creature deserves to be insulted.
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#1449 |
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Tartan Day in New York should be a hoot next year, Nicola, wee Eck & The Donald walking arm-in-arm down 5th Avenue.
![]() ![]() ![]() .. meanwhile in Aberdeenshire people are wondering if we will get a bigger runway at Aberdeen Airport should the President ever visit his north east golf course in Air Force one
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#1450 |
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Quite sad really as Trump has connections to Scotland that would definitely be economically beneficial and better for Scotland. Sturgeon could have thought about this possibility before opening her mouth.
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