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Old 10-09-2016, 13:18
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Scotland is being taken out of the EU against the will of the electorate. Any future referendum is certainly not on a whim.
Only 40% of the Scottish Electorate voted for the UK to remain in the EU.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:20
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Scotland is being taken out of the EU against the will of the electorate. Any future referendum is certainly not on a whim.
We're not being taken out against our will... Scotland hasn't voted on our position within Europe.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:33
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Only 40% of the Scottish Electorate voted for the UK to remain in the EU.
A pointless statement.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:36
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Only 40% of the Scottish Electorate voted for the UK to remain in the EU.
And?

62% of those who did; voted to remain. Those who couldn't be bothered to vote don't count.

Should we also then note that less than 50% of the electorate voted to endorse Scotland's continuing membership of the UK. Grounds for a 2nd referendum right there
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:39
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A pointless statement.
just makes the leave % even lower!
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:44
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A pointless statement.
Only because you don't like it. It was after all, you who mentioned the scottish electorate. The electorate means everybody eligible to vote, rather than just those who did actually vote.

But anyway, when you consider that only 40% of the scottish electorate voted "remain", it does tell us that there isn't really that much of an appetite for the EU in Scotland after all, despite the SNP's bleatings that scots "overwhelmingly" want to remain in the EU.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:48
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The problem the SNP have to consider is that more of their voters wanted to leave the EU than voters of Labour, Greens or the LibDems. It is in their favour that the Scottish Tories all seem keen on Europe, so there isn't a natural home for their Eurosceptic voters to jump ship to, but there will be grumblings if they overplay that card. More so as many Yes voters don't want another referendum any time soon and would like the Scottish Government to get on with the job for a bit.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:49
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And?

62% of those who did; voted to remain. Those who couldn't be bothered to vote don't count.

Should we also then note that less than 50% of the electorate voted to endorse Scotland's continuing membership of the UK. Grounds for a 2nd referendum right there
Voted for the UK (not Scotland) to remain.
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:49
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Only because you don't like it. It was after all, you who mentioned the scottish electorate. The electorate means everybody eligible to vote, rather than just those who did actually vote.

But anyway, when you consider that only 40% of the scottish electorate voted "remain", it does tell us that there isn't really that much of an appetite for the EU in Scotland after all, despite the SNP's bleatings that scots "overwhelmingly" want to remain in the EU.
so by your calculation what % actually voted to leave? that blows up yer argument & I wish you good day
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Old 10-09-2016, 13:58
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Only because you don't like it. It was after all, you who mentioned the scottish electorate. The electorate means everybody eligible to vote, rather than just those who did actually vote.

But anyway, when you consider that only 40% of the scottish electorate voted "remain", it does tell us that there isn't really that much of an appetite for the EU in Scotland after all, despite the SNP's bleatings that scots "overwhelmingly" want to remain in the EU.
Are you genuinely making that argument? In that case there was no vote in favour of leaving the EU.
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:01
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so by your calculation what % actually voted to leave? that blows up yer argument & I wish you good day
Eligible to vote: 3,987112, of that 1661191 voted remain, and 1018322 voted leave, the remainder didn't vote.

So that means.... of the electorate eligible to vote:

Remain: 41.66%
Leave/other: 58.34%

So there you have it.

Figs are from the electorate commission should you wish to try and work it out for yourself.

http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...nt-information
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:04
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Are you genuinely making that argument? In that case there was no vote in favour of leaving the EU.
It was a referendum about whether or not the UK remained in the EU

And I think if you look back at the result, you'll see that more people voted to leave than to stay.

It is the Scottish Gov trying to bring regional voting into it, and anyway, their attempt doesn't hold sway as I've just demonstrated in response to you citing the "scottish electorate".
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:11
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Lol clearly some like democracy on their own terms. Every twist followed by a turn.

Pointless arguing with them.
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:17
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People don't vote for that so you're chatting shit.
Interesting. How did you manage to include a swear word?
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Old 10-09-2016, 14:25
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Lol clearly some like democracy on their own terms. Every twist followed by a turn.

Pointless arguing with them.
That works both ways.... otherwise people (including Sturgeon) wouldn't keep saying we're being taken out against our will.
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:44
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Scotland is being taken out of the EU against the will of the electorate. Any future referendum is certainly not on a whim.
Scotland doesn't have a will of it's own, Scotland's will is as part of the UK just like every other part of the UK.
It is the people of the UK that had/has the will, and that will has been exercised in the majority voting to leave the EU.

Stop acting as if Scotland is hard done by because it did not get it's own way, it has never been possible for Scotland to choose for itself and never will be until it actually becomes a member state in it's right.
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:54
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Scotland doesn't have a will of it's own, Scotland's will is as part of the UK just like every other part of the UK.
It is the people of the UK that had/has the will, and that will has been exercised in the majority voting to leave the EU.

Stop acting as if Scotland is hard done by because it did not get it's own way, it has never been possible for Scotland to choose for itself and never will be until it actually becomes a member state in it's right.
Sturgeon would crap herself if May turned around and said 'OK, off you go'.

The rest of us would cheer to the rafters though.
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:54
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Lol clearly some like democracy on their own terms. Every twist followed by a turn.

Pointless arguing with them.
That would be you then

You're the one seeking to overturn the result of a democratic vote.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:18
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That would be you then

You're the one seeking to overturn the result of a democratic vote.
Of course...but only by democratic means.

You and a few others are arguing that democracy should stand still. Utter nonsense.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:31
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Sturgeon would crap herself if May turned around and said 'OK, off you go'.

The rest of us would cheer to the rafters though.
I think had the vote for Scotland's Independence been put to the whole UK (the very notion of which had nationalists baulking "it's oor referednum"), then Scotland would be, or about to be, independent of the UK.

Mind you.. the the Scottish Gov would probably have started a "Scotland has been kicked out of the UK" thing.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:35
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What cannot happen, and is what you both seem to be advocating, is that another referendum (on anything really) should be done on the whim of [whatever] so soon after the original. It's really to argue that there should just be constant referenda swinging with whatever way the wind is blowing.
Constant votes till Scotland comes up with the "right" answer. That's what the SNP want.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:37
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Constant votes till Scotland comes up with the "right" answer. That's what the SNP want.
A very EU stance to be fair.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:40
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I think had the vote for Scotland's Independence been put to the whole UK (the very notion of which had nationalists baulking "it's oor referednum"), then Scotland would be, or about to be, independent of the UK.

Mind you.. the the Scottish Gov would probably have started a "Scotland has been kicked out of the UK" thing.
I don't know why the Nationalists do not want England and Wales to vote in a further referendum, because we would vote quite heavily on the leave side.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:59
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I don't know why the Nationalists do not want England and Wales to vote in a further referendum, because we would vote quite heavily on the leave side.
I think as much as it would be lovely to get booted out the UK I think it would horrible to feel you'd any say in matter.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:59
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I don't know why the Nationalists do not want England and Wales to vote in a further referendum, because we would vote quite heavily on the leave side.
True. Recent events do show that England and Wales have form for nationalistic leave votes.
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