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#1476 |
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Great post, they could have had 4 police forces and still saved even more money.
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Yes, he could, but what can of worms would that open? Other organisations could claim to be on a similar footing to them (through the courts even) and cost the Revenue billions as opposed to the piddling millions involved. It's a no brainer and a perfect example of the parochial and divisive politics the SNP practice. They were well warned and ignored the implications. This is another instance of the SNP thinking that because that's what they want everyone will do their bidding (A bit like how EU will do as their told)*. End of story.
*As that German comedian once said when asked his opinion of Scots during an interview at the Edinburgh Festival " Aw you've got to love them, they think they're special, but they're not. God bless them" |
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#1478 |
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Or Westminster could play the game and exempt the unitary body thus saving the most money. Deliberately hampering the cash efficiency of Scotland's police force because you don't like the choices a devolved administration is making isn't the kind of petty minded jobsworth action that a party of law and order should be indulging in. Especially as at the end of the day the government could simply up the equipment budgets by Vat for every exempted authority an remove the exemption for no overall difference to its finances. If VAT had been devolved then this would be a non issue.
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#1479 |
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Or Westminster could play the game and exempt the unitary body thus saving the most money. Deliberately hampering the cash efficiency of Scotland's police force because you don't like the choices a devolved administration is making isn't the kind of petty minded jobsworth action that a party of law and order should be indulging in. Especially as at the end of the day the government could simply up the equipment budgets by Vat for every exempted authority an remove the exemption for no overall difference to its finances. If VAT had been devolved then this would be a non issue.
Which means, if your logic is correct, they don't need the VAT money back. However, GERS attributes Scottish VAT revenues and so the Scottish Government income surely includes VAT from the Scottish Police. In this instance then, surely the SG can rebate the VAT back to the Police out of the Scottish budget? |
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#1480 |
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Or Westminster could play the game and exempt the unitary body thus saving the most money. Deliberately hampering the cash efficiency of Scotland's police force because you don't like the choices a devolved administration is making isn't the kind of petty minded jobsworth action that a party of law and order should be indulging in. Especially as at the end of the day the government could simply up the equipment budgets by Vat for every exempted authority an remove the exemption for no overall difference to its finances. If VAT had been devolved then this would be a non issue.
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#1481 |
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Or Westminster could play the game and exempt the unitary body thus saving the most money. Deliberately hampering the cash efficiency of Scotland's police force because you don't like the choices a devolved administration is making isn't the kind of petty minded jobsworth action that a party of law and order should be indulging in. Especially as at the end of the day the government could simply up the equipment budgets by Vat for every exempted authority an remove the exemption for no overall difference to its finances. If VAT had been devolved then this would be a non issue.
You're the one being petty minded by complaining because the rules were changed to suit this singular Police force.. |
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Please don't let common sense get in the way of attacking the SNP.
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#1483 |
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Ha ha, I had to laugh at Sturgeons cringworthy congrats message to Donald Trump even after all her disgraceful abuse of him. She said she hoped he would represent all Americans, yeh, like she represents all Scottish people (as long as you a die-hard nationalist or EU remoaner)
She is just a hypocrite, like her predecessor, who must like the sound of her own voice. |
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Please don't let common sense get in the way of attacking the SNP.
Common sense is not ploughing on regardless and playing the victim (yet again...) afterwards because you can't have your own way. |
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The funny thing is she respects the verdict of the American people, but refuses to respect the verdicts of the Scottish people who voted to remain in the UK or the verdict of the UK people who voted to leave the EU.
She is just a hypocrite, like her predecessor, who must like the sound of her own voice. I see I had nothing to fear, she's tying herself up in knots and doesn't have the political acumen of Salmond. |
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#1486 |
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Please don't let common sense get in the way of attacking the SNP.
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Really? If someone told you that a certain action would cost you money but you chose to carry out that action anyway with this knowledge would it really be common sense to moan about the consequences?
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Yes, when the costs are unreasonable, unecessary and detrimental.
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So why would you willingly pay those costs knowing this fact?
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You don't let London use their pathetic little games to change your policies. You have the balls to do it regardless and fight for common sense to prevail. This is fair and needs to be corrected and there's nothing wrong with exposing the lack of respect that comes to Scotland from the British Government, there's s duty to expose it,
So I imagine the same thing would apply to a Scottish council if Holyrood was playing games? |
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#1491 |
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Ah, OK, even if it cost you millions of pounds you just plod on and do it waiting for common sense to kick in because London is playing games, or you accuse them of playing games.
So I imagine the same thing would apply to a Scottish council if Holyrood was playing games? |
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If one council was being picked on, I would say yes.
If Scotland were a region of the UK then we wouldn't pay VAT, the consequence of Scotland being a country means we do. I prefer being a country but it seems that some want us to be treated as a region over this one issue that the SG had foreknowledge of. Perhaps something can be worked out to designate Scotland as a region and we can get our VAT sorted out. Alternatively, as I said previously the SG can pay the VAT as it's attributed anyway under GERS? |
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#1493 |
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The bottom line is that the SG knew this VAT rule existed, took advice and on receipt of this advice still amalgamated the Scottish police forces.
If Scotland were a region of the UK then we wouldn't pay VAT, the consequence of Scotland being a country means we do. I prefer being a country but it seems that some want us to be treated as a region over this one issue that the SG had foreknowledge of. Perhaps something can be worked out to designate Scotland as a region and we can get our VAT sorted out. Alternatively, as I said previously the SG can pay the VAT as it's attributed anyway under GERS? |
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I do not know what makes you tick. The single force was created to try and deal with financial pressures and London has deliberately tried to worsen that situation for no reason other than to play power games. If Scotland were treated like a country rather than a region it would be allowed control over VAT. Maybe it should be devolved? Of course London would tell us to bugger off then you'd find a contrived way to blame the snp for daring to ask. You couldn't make it up!
BTW Police Scotland is not the only force in Scotland, nevermind the UK, which pays VAT. Which others? https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/201...nding-and-vat/ |
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If Scotland were treated like a country rather than a region it would be allowed control over VAT. Maybe it should be devolved?
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You don't let London use their pathetic little games to change your policies. You have the balls to do it regardless and fight for common sense to prevail. This is fair and needs to be corrected and there's nothing wrong with exposing the lack of respect that comes to Scotland from the British Government, there's s duty to expose it,
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You don't let London use their pathetic little games to change your policies. You have the balls to do it regardless and fight for common sense to prevail. This is fair and needs to be corrected and there's nothing wrong with exposing the lack of respect that comes to Scotland from the British Government, there's s duty to expose it,
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#1498 |
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I do not know what makes you tick. The single force was created to try and deal with financial pressures and London has deliberately tried to worsen that situation for no reason other than to play power games. If Scotland were treated like a country rather than a region it would be allowed control over VAT. Maybe it should be devolved? Of course London would tell us to bugger off then you'd find a contrived way to blame the snp for daring to ask. You couldn't make it up!
Your right about the fact that you couldn't make it up. |
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Most Scots must be thanking God or whatever deity they worship that they rejected independence can you imagine a Sturgeon led government dealing with the US and Trump after all the crass comments she has made?
The SNP simply hasn't the talent in its ranks to run a successful country and would be a disaster. You can see why the talent isn't there by reading what their myopic supporters post on here. |
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So why would you willingly pay those costs knowing this fact?
Scottish literacy and numeracy standards have been dropping every since the SNP took power, but Sturgeon would much rather go on pretendy-Presidential trips to Germany to meet junior ministers than deal with that. Scottish universities have been experiencing years of under-funding, thanks to their vain approaches to funding, but they've managed to ignore their complaints until such time they've found a way to blame it on the rest of the UK. Now the Scottish Government can blame it on BREXIT, and therefore rUK, they've decided to be worried about them. |
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