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#1926 |
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Eligibility would stay the same across the board in the UK... of course on independence that wouldn't apply to us.
To repeat... the Scottish Government have already said they would take on the responsibility of paying pensions. "- For those in Scotland in receipt of the UK State Pension at the time of independence, the responsibility for paying that pension would transfer to the Scottish Government. - For those people of working age, who are living and working in Scotland at the time of independence, the UK pension entitlement they have accrued prior to independence would become their Scottish State Pension entitlement." |
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#1927 |
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You'll find that the 'per head' spending is highly variable with many parts of England getting comparable to Scotland, Wales marginally less and NI more. Health & Education are also variable but the Scottish HE sector is well regarded even if Brexit loons are putting it in jeopardy. Quote:
I think that's far too simplistic... I would argue that our health and education have always generally been better than down south and this hasn't suddenly happened since SNP came to power.
You would also expect that we would do better given we get extra spending of £1,500 per head. |
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Pensions are funded by current taxation/borrowing. Other than people who work in rUK then retire in Scotland, why would the rUK have involvement in the pensions of a neighbouring country? Quote:
Some people really should read back through a thread a wee bit before jumping in. I repeatedly stated that negotiations would more than likely take place after independence.
However, in the unlikely event a deal could not be reached, then the UK government will continue paying any pensions currently in payment and any future pensions to be paid based on UK contributions. No question. |
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#1929 |
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So if Scotland remains in the EU how will that affect the Uk as a whole? Is it perhaps a way for th UK to remain in the EU by the back door, with all of the UKs exports going via Scotland and free movement going via Scotland to and from the UK? If every company in the U.K. Registered in Edinburgh and the stock market relocated a huge part of its business it might just work.
Is this what you might mean? I'm more interested in how much of the Scotland Act 2016 was written with Brexit in mind.. ![]() Just found this.. Spooky! ![]() http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7438246.html "The Scottish parliament may have the legal right to block Article 50 entirely It's time to learn about Section 2 of the Scotland Act of 2016, which says Westminster must get the consent of Edinburgh if it affects 'devolved' matters" |
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#1930 |
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Pensions are funded by current taxation/borrowing.
Other than people who work in rUK then retire in Scotland, why would the rUK have involvement in the pensions of a neighbouring country? Other stuff? See previous pages Happy to help |
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Current taxation funds the state pension in the UK and many other countries. There isn't some pot with the funds saved up. Do you dispute this key point? Quote:
Because current taxation/borrowing mean absolutely nothing in relation to state pension payments.
Other stuff? See previous pages Happy to help |
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#1932 |
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Because current taxation/borrowing mean absolutely nothing in relation to state pension payments.
Other stuff? See previous pages Happy to help |
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#1933 |
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So just before the Council elections, COSLA might release a leaflet saying that increases are down to the SNP.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...ax_rise_plans/ Weren't some councils advocating a rise in CT last year? |
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#1934 |
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Health & Education are also variable but the Scottish HE sector is well regarded even if Brexit loons are putting it in jeopardy.
Just as the Tories are using Brexit as a convenient excuse for their dubious economic policies not working, the SNP are able to use Brexit as the fall-guy for problems in our education system. ![]() Brexit is obviously bad for universities, which is more of a reason it's a shame that the SNP chose to campaign against Brexit on the grounds that they'd call another referendum, instead of enthusiastic campaigning for the benefits. But it was unrealistic to expect them to resist the opportunity to moan about Westminster, and "Project Fear". The SNP were about as helpful as Corbyn when it came to promoting the remain cause. |
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#1935 |
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Current taxation funds the state pension in the UK and many other countries.
There isn't some pot with the funds saved up. Do you dispute this key point? It has no bearing on payments of state pension. |
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#1936 |
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I see the national listening exercise of no voters finishes this week. (Heard that while watching the interview of Fiona Hyslop on Sunday Politics).
Not entirely sure how no voters were engaged but no-one I know who voted no was ever canvassed or asked their opinion. |
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#1937 |
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I see the national listening exercise of no voters finishes this week. (Heard that while watching the interview of Fiona Hyslop on Sunday Politics).
Not entirely sure how no voters were engaged but no-one I know who voted no was ever canvassed or asked their opinion. |
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#1938 |
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Its not No voters in isolation, its a national survey/listening exercise. Its active now on the SNP website (its on the front page, can't miss it) and has been continually over social media and, frequently, in the news.
Looks like an exercise in preaching to the converted. |
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#1939 |
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I've seen it on the news but don't follow politicians or political activists on social media and don't click on political websites out with election times as they are generally full of propaganda bullshit.
Looks like an exercise in preaching to the converted. I note on twitter people on both sides were talking about completing multiple copies... I'm not sure how valid the results will be. |
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#1940 |
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I've seen it on the news but don't follow politicians or political activists on social media and don't click on political websites out with election times as they are generally full of propaganda bullshit.
Looks like an exercise in preaching to the converted. The survey is open to anybody, and you've admitted you have seen it yourself on the news. Anybody who has interest in it, at least, you would think would say 'I'll have a look at the SNP website, find out more about it". That would be for more broad minded people, and those with genuine interest. But, no, with some, more narrow minded people, its much easier to sit on the internet, going on about how something like that useless, and then will probably turn round next week and comment about how they're not being listened to. I do love this forum in a mad sort of way, the idiotic views on it are priceless. Can't find it in myself to post on it that much, as this forum is useless in its meaning and tribal in its existence, but it does provide entertainment
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#1941 |
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I've certainly not been approached and nobody I know has mentioned it.
I note on twitter people on both sides were talking about completing multiple copies... I'm not sure how valid the results will be. |
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#1942 |
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I see the national listening exercise of no voters finishes this week. (Heard that while watching the interview of Fiona Hyslop on Sunday Politics).
Not entirely sure how no voters were engaged but no-one I know who voted no was ever canvassed or asked their opinion. https://www.commonspace.scot/article...y-reply-target You can take the survey here. http://www.survey2016.scot/ |
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#1943 |
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With all due respect, what b*llocks.
The survey is open to anybody, and you've admitted you have seen it yourself on the news. Anybody who has interest in it, at least, you would think would say 'I'll have a look at the SNP website, find out more about it". That would be for more broad minded people, and those with genuine interest. But, no, with some, more narrow minded people, its much easier to sit on the internet, going on about how something like that useless, and then will probably turn round next week and comment about how they're not being listened to. I do love this forum in a mad sort of way, the idiotic views on it are priceless. Can't find it in myself to post on it that much, as this forum is useless in its meaning and tribal in its existence, but it does provide entertainment ![]() I didn't say I'd seen the survey. I said I had seen stuff on the news - meaning about the national listening exercise not the specific survey. But you are right that's what is great about the internet. I can get rubbish from an SNP supporter like you who doesn't have to live with the consequences of their policies because they are stuck in England, held captive against their will. |
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#1944 |
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Commonspace wrote an article on its progress last week
https://www.commonspace.scot/article...y-reply-target You can take the survey here. http://www.survey2016.scot/ |
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#1945 |
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Bollocks? That's generally what you speak with your 'woe is me I'm stuck in England which I hate crap'.
I didn't say I'd seen the survey. I said I had seen stuff on the news - meaning about the national listening exercise not the specific survey. But you are right that's what is great about the internet. I can get rubbish from an SNP supporter like you who doesn't have to live with the consequences of their policies because they are stuck in England, held captive against their will. As for me not living with consequences, you're right but, as I've said before, my family still lives up there, and they do, so I have more than a vested interest in what happens. So, as I say, take more notice of what people are actually saying, then we might be able to have a conversation. |
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#1946 |
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So SNP members are supposed to speak to 5 people a month? Wonder if that's happening? That's not a survey it's a data collection exercise.
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#1947 |
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A survey is a data collection exercise.
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#1948 |
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A survey is a data collection exercise.
If you don't know the difference between quantitative and qualitative research then that's not my problem. |
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#1949 |
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Yep, in reality and theory, its not that much different to the national Census, where you have Census enumerators going around. Funny how people can turn it into a stick to beat it with though, some people are so determined.
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#1950 |
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Knowing a bit about electronic surveys, I know that multiple copies can be weeded out. People might think they're having a laugh, but they're just wasting their own time.
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