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Old 12-12-2016, 18:11
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Old 12-12-2016, 18:53
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Who is this Alan and why would he want to do that to Sturgeon of all people?
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:10
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There is a missing comma on the first line.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:11
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There is a missing comma on the first line.
Yuk!!!
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:16
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Don't forget he's one of the people who loves Scotland so much he has US citizenship and lives in LA.
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Old 12-12-2016, 21:45
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There is a missing comma on the first line.
I don't understand.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:07
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There is a missing comma on the first line.
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Old 13-12-2016, 20:58
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Don't forget he's one of the people who loves Scotland so much he has US citizenship and lives in LA.

If I remember correctly wasn't he at one of the SNP's conferences? ie Independence (thats the one I remember -- him taking a "selfie" with Salmond or it was someone else?)
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Old 17-12-2016, 07:08
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Overall, I can't really moan about the Scottish budget. I would have been happy to pay a couple of pence more for good education or social policies but I do disagree that we are very much more taxed than the rest of the UK.

http://www.itv.com/news/border/2016-...-tax-scotland/

The budget did confirm the fact that on taxation there really is no big difference in the thinking between the UK and Scottish Government. That we are not seeing progressive policies from a Party who claim to be progressive is not a surprise here.

Another note is that if Councils want to raise extra revenue then they will have to raise council tax which, with a council election looming might be a vote loser.

I am however surprised that the more left wing SNP supporters support what is an essentially Tory direction in taxation given their model for Scotland is a higher taxation one. Then again, I'm sure there will be comments about economic levers and such.
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Old 19-12-2016, 08:49
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I see the SNP are claiming that more folk voted to remain in the EU than voted to remain in the U.K.?

http://www.snp.org/scotland_will_unv...lan_on_tuesday

Is that the case or is it pure spin?

Scottish Ref


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...esults-in-full

Brexit ref in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-36614284

It seems when it comes to Scotlands wishes only the wishes of the SNP count.
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Old 19-12-2016, 08:56
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I see the SNP are claiming that more folk voted to remain in the EU than voted to remain in the U.K.?

http://www.snp.org/scotland_will_unv...lan_on_tuesday

Is that the case or is it pure spin?
spin

as a % of the votes cast it was higher but in terms of actual votes cast it was quite a bit lower

over 330,000 fewer votes were cast for remain in scotland than voted NO in 2014
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:07
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spin

as a % of the votes cast it was higher but in terms of actual votes cast it was quite a bit lower

over 330,000 fewer votes were cast for remain in scotland than voted NO in 2014
I find the SNP article interesting because they have clearly set out to fail in this mission of theirs and at the end have stated the Ball is in the other political Parties Court. In other words, no matter what happens the SNP will claim that it was Westminsters fault.

I wonder what they would do if Westminster called an Indyref for the first week in March 17?
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:11
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I find the SNP article interesting because they have clearly set out to fail in this mission of theirs and at the end have stated the Ball is in the other political Parties Court. In other words, no matter what happens the SNP will claim that it was Westminsters fault.

I wonder what they would do if Westminster called an Indyref for the first week in March 17?
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Old 19-12-2016, 11:22
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Scotland has the lowest turnout in the UK in the EU referendum IIRC (wasn't Glasgow something pathetic like 56%?), so hardly something to shout about.
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Old 19-12-2016, 18:13
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I can hear it now "how dare the Westmonster establishment dictate to the Scottish people the date of their independence referendum...".

It would certainly wipe the smile from smug Salmonds face.
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Old 19-12-2016, 18:55
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More people in Scotland were eligible to vote in the Scottish referendum than for the EU referendum.. Also, over 200,000 people dropped off the electoral register after the Westminster Government changed to individual registration.
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Old 19-12-2016, 19:09
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I wonder what they would do if Westminster called an Indyref for the first week in March 17?
They would likely ask does the UK Government have a mandate to do that? We all know the answer to that one.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:05
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They would likely ask does the UK Government have a mandate to do that? We all know the answer to that one.
It would be fairly amusing actually watching the FM trying to get out of holding one. We all know though that it's extremely unlikely in the life of this Parliament.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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It would be fairly amusing actually watching the FM trying to get out of holding one. We all know though that it's extremely unlikely in the life of this Parliament.
You should get out there and tell all those unionist politicians on their street stalls campaigning for 'no more referendums'. Go tell them they should stick to their day jobs.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:23
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You should get out there and tell all those unionist politicians on their street stalls campaigning for 'no more referendums'. Go tell them they should stick to their day jobs.
Well it would be interesting to see how the Unionists on here would react. I assume they would be opposed to any referendum regardless of who called it. After all it would be rather hypocritical to support it.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:25
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More people in Scotland were eligible to vote in the Scottish referendum than for the EU referendum.. Also, over 200,000 people dropped off the electoral register after the Westminster Government changed to individual registration.
Turnout was still down quite substantially from the Indyref and Westminster elections. Its also a fact that at the Indyref the areas that voted Yes had below average turnouts. Particularly notable in Dundee and Glasgow here it was well below 80%.
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:12
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Well it would be interesting to see how the Unionists on here would react. I assume they would be opposed to any referendum regardless of who called it. After all it would be rather hypocritical to support it.
I support one if the people of Scotland indicate they want another one, so far there has been no indication. Interestingly the SNP seem to be making no real effort to change Scots minds from 2014 on what independence would actually look like given that their vision for it was clearly rejected before.

In fact the SNP haven't even commissioned anyone to find out what went wrong as far as I am aware.
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:15
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Well it would be interesting to see how the Unionists on here would react. I assume they would be opposed to any referendum regardless of who called it. After all it would be rather hypocritical to support it.
not that i consider myself a unionist but as someone who doesn't support independence i would be delighted if there was another referendum

i think NO would win by an even bigger margin and it would kill all the neverendum talk for the foreseeable future
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:20
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You should get out there and tell all those unionist politicians on their street stalls campaigning for 'no more referendums'. Go tell them they should stick to their day jobs.
I haven't seen any politicians doing what you claim on any streets near me. Can you give some recent examples?

Meanwhile , lets see what the SNP say today about the UK retaining no access to the EU and what parameters they put on Scotlands position.
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Old 20-12-2016, 08:28
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I haven't seen any politicians doing what you claim on any streets near me. Can you give some recent examples?
I've not seen any either, but I do think that referendums are inevitably divisive, and damaging to communities. If we were to have another one, would we learn the lesson of the EU one and ensure that if we are to have substantial constitutional change that the winning margin needs to be more than a couple of percent? Not that I think Yes would win any time soon, but the onus of any group pushing for such huge changes should be to persuade a reasonable majority that it would be better.

Right now, the SNP seem to be going down the same old route of driving a wedge between Scots and the English, hoping that just enough people will be annoyed by them to vote to leave just to spite them.
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