I believe the EU only gave 20 mins discussing Brexit I read somewhere ... so if the EU only gives the UK 20 mins coverage, you do realise that this bunch really don't give a hoot about the UK let alone Scotland as a whole had this been Sturgeon doing it do you really think they would take longer? I doubt it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-battle

That seems to be the reply Westminster is giving.

Audit Scotland have concerns over the Police funding but NS the FM blames it all on Westminster at FMQ today.

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/ne...third-year-row

Shambolic mismanagement on the Governments part here because as we already know the SNP were told VAT wouldn't be recovered and they still determined that they would save money despite this.

Given them credit where it's due though... they're certainly getting mileage out of this grievance.

Presuming that it is a decent plan, then what parts of it do you think are decent and workable in your opinion? I imagine you've spent more than 3 hours reading it?

How can you call it a decent plan when it is nothing more than a plan designed to fail in order to aid the Independence cause?
Sturgeon's demands aren't designed to do anything worthwhile, they are just a way to build grievance and support for their Independence plans.

I see you are once again being dishonest with your claims. The Scottish people voted for the UK to remain in the EU, not Scotland. In total over 16 million people voted for the UK to remain so Scotland's 1.6 million remain voters are not alone in not getting the result they wanted.

Just because Sturgeon lets her mouth run and spouts every thought that pops in to her head, doesn't mean that May or anyone else has to do the same.

And the answer from the Spanish and the French too and indeed anyone else who can just about understand that the Brexit deal, whatever it is, will be for the UK as a whole.

So either Sturgeon is a deluded fool - which she may well be - or equally likely it's just another attempt to stir the shit between the Scots and the rest of us in the hope
that a few more Scots will fall for it.

And guess what................

While you are entirely right there is a growing dissatisfaction with this line in Scotland. Folk here are getting fed up with the us Vs them single agenda of the SNP.

Let's me be honest here I have no love for a lot of what Westminster and some of the idiots there come up with but my dislike of the SNP is different because here we have a party that sets out to create division and distrust between Scots and the rest of us where it need not be. That is politics at its most unpleasant.

Unfortunately, it results in some people down south who either through ignorance or frustration turn on all Scots as being in some way to blame and being anti-English. I guess this is what the SNP would consider a victory of sorts.

I want a Brexit deal that is as good as we can get for every citizen of the UK unfortunately the SNP clearly doesn't.

You speaking on behalf of everyone in Scotland here?

If I was taking the SNP political line I would have to say Yes

I agree and if the SNP clearly wanted the best for Scotland and it's people then they would be doing their damdest to get the very best Brexit deal for Scotland instead of doing their very best to deliberately set up a situation where no matter what the Brexit deal it won't be what Scotland wants.

The irony is that their very arguments for remaining in the EU run counter to many of their arguments for not remaining in the UK union.

What do you think the best Brexit deal is for Scotland?

After Brexit, VAT can be devolved to Scotland.

]

Whatever England wants, anything else causes division. That is the mentality of posters like Blacksheep, of Dugdale, Rennie and Davidson. The only person it might win votes is Davidson, the other two have lost the plot.

The Royal College of Nursing, the British Medical Association, the Law Society of Scotland, the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, the Scottish Trades Union Congress, the National Union of Students Scotland, Universities Scotland, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds Scotland, Scottish Wildlife, WWF Scotland and Friends of the Earth Scotland all commend the Scottish Government's Brexit paper yet Unionists like yourself screech and howl in rage at it. Interesting. It suggests to me that your view of anything the SNP does is jaundiced.

Probably the same as you do, the continued access to EU markets without tariffs.

So, similar to what the SNP government is looking for?

Which, as you know, the Spanish government has rejected. Simply as that isn't going to apply, what is the best Brexit deal for Scotland do you think?

The Spanish Government hasn't rejected the UK having tariff free access to EU markets though. It has rejected any separate deal for Scotland inside the UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...6-12?r=US&IR=T

The SNP Government should do whats best for Scotland which is clearly to get behind a positive UK negotiation. Then, when we find out what the true Brexit picture will be they should re-assess whats best for Scotland and if thats sticking with the UK then thats what they should advocate. Isn't whats best for Scotland also whats best for the rest of the UK given that Brexit seems to be going ahead?

If Spain isn't going to give us a separate EU deal then its not going to let us join the EU anytime soon either I would imagine.

Of course Brexit has its uses in the world of deflecting away from important domestic issues.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...-police-force/

It seems our Police are facing a serious funding gap and all that the SNP are doing about it is shouting Westminsterbad according to Ruth Davidson.

The UK isn't looking like it's prepared to push for a positive settlement. Sturgeons preferred option is also the most sensible one and that is the the UK remains a member of the single market. Such a deal isn't likely to happen because of immigration and so basically you're proposing is that Scotland is prepared to pay the price for control of EU immigration, despite the fact that limiting immigration will harm our economy in addition to not being a full member of the single market. In what world is that the best solution for Scotland? The Unionist seem to be saying the Scottish Government should accept the decision made by voters outside of Scotland regardless of the harm it does to Scotland and if the Scottish Government is not prepared to completely discard Scotland's interests they are being divisive. It's clear that Unionist will defend anything that happens to Scotland as consequence of protecting a Union that is hideously one sided.

Well Blacksheep there's always you, Ruth, Kez and that wee irritant from the Lib Dem's to keep us informed. Scotland's finest!

As usual you miss the economy mic point and go straight for the Union is bad, Scotland must be heard line.

What makes you think that the UK won't get a good Brexit deal, or like the FM is your mind already made up.

Leading on from this what will be the total harm of Scotland leaving its largest trading partner to hopefully get a place at the EU where it trades far less? Has any Nationalist actually calculated that equation?

I imagine domestic Scottish issues don't bother you as long as you can get your freedom

So why doesn't the SNP hurry up and hold another vote so you can have your say and leave the Union that you see as so damaging and one sided if that is what the majority wish and then join another union , if Spain and Belgium let you.